I posted a good article talkimg od a chinese company that produced a demo 4k 5" or 5.5" oled.
The ppi on it was somethine like 732ppi around 100ppi difference in 2015. They were saying VR use. But couldn’t find any other specs or them making a 4k oled panel since.
You really insist on ignoring the fact that agreements were made to get funding in exchange for a set of benefits, right? Hey it’s a Kickstarter, agreements don’t count because well Kickstarter!
Nope its only better screens and the 8kx is now single cable.
Not sure what you mean by input system but almost every part in the 8k+ is improved and it has all new electronics, new screens, new scaler electronics and algorithm and new vision comfort kit. The 8kX is a single cable.
liking the sounds of the single cable ,the scaler was what i was referring to was hoping the input scale was increased, could not make any analytic judgment to improvements beyond screen improvement from the video
loving the comfort kit looking forward to getting one
Is 8k+ and 8kx electronically much different from each other in design? Trying to understand the 8kx price point of $300 more than the 8k+ but seems so identical to each other in hardware.
Could you elaborate on this regard?
It has been mentioned that changes were made to manage the increased heat buildup. I’m not sure if that applies to the 8K+ as well.
So I’m sure when pimax added the stretch goal that it had an idea the eye tracking was not free to make and would cost them money. Now you are telling backers that they either give pimax money or get nothing, this does not sit right. There should be an option for backers who do not want to give pimax money for eye tracking (that pimax said would be free) at least a coupon to be used on something else.
Also 7invison just announced its selling eyetrackers for all current vives for $150. I can not see even with the r&d and new design for pimax’s fov that it’s costing pimax more than $200 for these. If that’s the case you are giving backers buying these Nothing for their free eyetracking stretch goal. (Pimax eyetrackers cost backers $200) that also does not sit right.
Seriously. How would You know?
@PimaxUSA I asked my above question which you havent had the time to answer yet because you said this, leading me to believe that new lenses, better QA on lens and panel placement, and a lens depth adjustment dial, which are undoubtedly in pimaxs best interests to explore might still be possible before.the 8kx release.
Does this mean Pimax doesn’t have enough money to change the lens bracket mold to give it a depth adjustment and to refine or make new lenses?
Both of those things should cost not more than 100-200k, we’re talking about 5-10% of the cost to provide eye tracking for free to all backers.
A manufacturing error in some models from incorrect panel placement most likely contributes to excessive eye strain and distortion (as users report replacement headsets not having these issues or vice versa), and QA needs to make sure they do rigerous testing so that’s also not an issue.
That’s a good point, but the main arguments is not giving anything for those who don’t upgrade. Even if the free one eye tracking offert cost only 20$ in material for pimax this would mean 100k$ In expenses (5000 unitS). But this was previsible back then. This gives the impression that pimax made a promesse they knowingly couldn’t fulfill and that’s annoying.
This said pimax is going forward toward accessible high end vr products some of us will stay abord others won’t.
So much hate for Pimax.
Do you guys realize that they just gave us the best VR in the industry, ever? You have higher FoV, higher resolution, and work is being done constantly to improve process and product.
That said, Pimax, you are no longer a nascent company. You should be working out your growing pains.
As far as the ancillary and peripheral products, Pimax you need a better timeline and flow to get them released. I do not know what the problem is; probably funding and management, but you need a better process to get these goals done in a timely manner and PR people that regularly communicate with management and development and relay that information back to the founders.
It is unfortunate that the eye tracking will not be free. But I do understand because of the increased development costs. Pimax would be taking a significant loss if they were to offer these for free. They made a decision to offer eye tracking at a reduced price rather than negatively impacting the company overall. It is unfortunate, but understandable.
Speaking of eye tracking, it is my hope that this module will become cheaper over time and integrated within all headsets so that we can have motorized auto IPD adjustments, and moving lenses (or other implementation) to keep the sweet spot center of the eye.
So, people, I know it has been a long time. And it is a lot for me to ask for more patience. But patience is what I ask.
And Pimax, you have some growing up to do. You have an awesome product but poor management and planning really sour the product. Either the staff needs better training or people with the proper experience and know how need to be put in place to ensure that timelines are on track and milestones met.
You are quoting my post but seemingly didn’t read any of it. The changes you suggest would run literally in the millions of dollars and a very lengthy period of time. If it were that simple and easy you would see eye tracking headsets raining from the sky and offered by samsung, hp, oculus and many others.
HTC does offer it in the Vive Pro Eye but that is an extra $900.
Ok… Each of you will have your own notion of what things are and are not, but to my sensibilites these stretch goal items fall into something of a weird nomansland between a sales agreement and a gift.
If I paid a contractor up-front for X, Y, and Z, I’d sure as hell want delivery on all those, and be compensated for any part where they fall through, and maybe I wouldn’t have signed the deal in the first place, if it hadn’t included Z.
…but on the other hand; If a buddy said: "Hey man, I can get us free beer for the weekend, but before the weekend arrived, the brewery where he works suddenly dropped its quota-of-free-produce-for-employees privileges, I wouldn’t demand that friend reimburse me for the free beer I would have got…
I think if you look at Pimax’s history with communications and somewhat less than truthful statements, i doubt anyone could call Pimax their “friend”.
They haven’t “given” us anything, we paid up front for a particular thing, they did a bait and switch and are now releasing the product they originally stated but at another massive premium.
You know. I agree with everything you say about truths and half-truths, and “creative” definitions, and bait-and-switching, and right at this moment probably with some sneaky cost-to-seller-absorbing markups here and there, as well as locking people in with sunk costs, and dividing products into two, so that even though you in one literal sense get what what you paid for, there is now a second complementary item you’ll need to cough up for, in order to make the former not be just a paper weight…
…but I wouldn’t demand reimbursement for promised free beer from a complete stranger either, even if he turned out to be a drug addict who played a shell game on the street.
I don’t see any “lying”, more (imho comprehensible) misjudgement.
If Pimax would have iterated on the 8k until they reached the level of the 8k+ without providing the 8k as a stepping stone I think the same people who demand an 8k+ for free now would have complained how long it takes to deliver (“class suit” etc.). Letting people “upgrade” now for a discount that doesn’t drive Pimax bankrupt sounds like the most favorable thing they can realistically do.
And regarding the eye tracker. What would you have done in their situation?
a) deliver an out-of-the-box eye tracker for free as initially planned, even if it turned out to provide sub-par performance in their internal testing
b) cancel the eye tracker
c) offer people the option to pay the delta it costs to get a proper eye tracking solution
d) take a credit to buy the more expensive eye tracker for the backers and increase the price of the next product accordingly, so essentially the follow up customers will have to pay for our eye trackers
Imho c) sounds least bad in my ears.
What they imho should have done different is to provide a coupon for people who decide against getting the new eye tracking - with the value they initially planned for the free eye tracking to cost. That would imho have been the best behavior in the given situation without any reasonable reason for complaint.
I was talking about a new lens iteration, ensuring strict QA and review on panel and lens placement, and a depth adjustment dial.
Those changes have to do with changing the plastics slightly and is no where near the realms of cost required to develop a technology like eyetracking.
As far as volume discount is concerned. It may be hard or impossible for you to sell 5000 or more now. Not every backer is going to buy the product at $200. What if only 100 backers buy it. Are you then going to jack the price to $1000. If you plan on selling 10,000 units wouldn’t it be better to know 5,000 are already accounted for? Just saying Pimax could be underestimating the “volume” they will ever sell. Apparently if its a finished product the R&D must be completed or near completed. Therefore the greatest expense going forward would be manufacturing. Its not only Pimax that should reconsider the price but 7invenson, what if pimax walks away and you never buy another one. I’m sure pimax has already paid them dearly and they would take the smallest hit, plus they now have all the research done to sell to others. But they are risking a great deal of sales as well. If its volume that gets a price shouldn’t you just install it on all your headsets and readjust the prices. I know Pimax would sell more headsets if it was included. Pimax being a small company can more easily reallocate funds then the other big companies you mentioned. They may have more funds but they also have bigger hurdles. Im sure you all have considered these points, and I’m just ranting. Sorry for being a small thorn in your side at this moment. I do know its not just your call. Just saying. Best of luck Pimax!