Indeed a definite plus imho as well.
We need a wide variety of headsets out there though to push adoption.
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There are almost 400 X backers, and so far 76 has been sent. Please have patience, its coming to your turn anytime.
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Only partly correct. If you go strictly by numbers, the 8KX has ~22.6 pixels per degree, and the Reverb G2 21.6 pixels per degree horizontally.
3840 / 170° vs 2160 / 100°.
If you consider now that the Pimax’ screens do not move with the lenses (or do they?), but the Reverb’s do, you’ll chop a bit off of the Pimax’ advantage and get a very similar pixel density for both headsets.
Except you need to measure the ppd based on Small or potato FoV.
Wide FoV as Risa has said I believe is changed as the canting affects it.
Only Lenses move and at last press Pimax has a screen utilization of around 80% source = pimax. Now if the 8kX has a smaller screen like the 5k+ it may have around 87%. Need confirmation
G2 has more ppd at 100° than Pimax in small or Potato. Pimax Horizontal FoV is 160 in Large FoV mode.
In theory, that is what would be expected. In practice, I have doubts about panel utilization, lens quality, and the actual values of the FOV. Through-the-lens images of the Reverb ‘G1’ (IIRC that is what it was called) suggested slightly lower angular resolution compared to the 8kX. However, these through-the-lens images of the ‘G2’ suggest an improvement that may put it closer to, roughly equal, to or slightly sharper, than the 8kX. An improvement I am not sure I can account for simply.
Thus, I would really like to have a loaner (and possibly the angular resolution measurement tool I plan to create) to properly compare the G2 and 8kX. Any result would be very interesting indeed.
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Looks good, it’s on my list for sure.
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There’s also the fact that the G2 is $600 all-in. No need for lighthouses, and you get audio and controllers included. That makes it one third the cost of an 8KX bundle, and it’s from a mainstream manufacturer. Cheaper, less risky, doesn’t have the wide FOV. I suspect they will sell a ton of those headsets.
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Sebastian, you seem more wowed by the resolution of the G2 than the 8K-X. Are they similar in resolution or is the G2 better in that area? Did the distortions on the 8K-X detract from enjoying the resolution?
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Unless the tracking has improved significantly, that is a huge downside of the Reverb.
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The 8KX was never going to be a very high volume product. How many people realistically spend up to 2 grand on their VR setup not including the PC.
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Yepp, the full package aspect is great, if I were new in the market that would be a compelling option to consider. Are there any overall sales numbers of VR headsets available? Would be interesting how big the potential market actually is.
Edit: Here some numbers up to 2019: VR device shipments by vendor worldwide 2017-2019 | Statista . So 6 million in 2019 with both HP and Pimax running under “Others”. Will be interesting how this develops!
Edit2: Would also be interesting to see how many lighthouse basestation+controller bundles are in the wild - as these “upgraders” are presumably the main target for Pimax. If you already own these than the proposition to buy a headset that can further make use of the most precise tracking on the market is of course high. Unfortunately the prices for lighthouse equipment have skyrocketed, not having control of the (prices and availability of the) tracking peripherals might turn out as the biggest disadvantage of Pimax atm., now that it looks like the previous topics might finally be under control.
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That’s a pretty sweeping statement. WindowsMR tracking was never flawless, but it was “good enough” and with the extra two cameras and continued algorithmic improvements I would expect the tracking to be as good as (say) a Rift S, which has pretty decent tracking.
For a lot of people the plug-and-play aspect of inside-out is very desirable. For as many people as I see posting “lighthouse tracking or forget about it” I see someone else posting that they would prefer the simpler setup, less wires, easier option instead.
I’m not schilling for the Reverb here, just saying it’s horses for courses.
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For someone who does any seated stuff, any noticeable drift can be very annoying.
You have no drift whatsoever with this inside out tracking. Tracking is vastly improved here and just as @Alonzo has said correctly, tracking was never bad even for the old Windows MR tracking (HP Reverb Controller Tracking: How Good / Bad / Terrible Is It Actually? - YouTube) but with the additional 2 cameras, it is even better.
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For my Odyssey it was ok for seated games if the conditions /light etc. are good. A real pain was doing bow and arrow games or stuff that moved out of the typical scope of the cameras - I did have a bit of trouble with that, also like taking a gun from the back, stuffing stuff in the backpack an such.
But I am happy WMR is alive - it was awsome for getting into VR (Dell Visor -> Odyssey -> 5k+ -> 8k+ -> 8kx -> …)
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Played mainly FO4 VR with my Odyssey(+). Liked especially the dual input system of the controllers - both stick and touchpad at the same time. Tracking was good enough to enjoy the games i played at that time. Maybe i buy an G2 just for fun and for the ease of playing a quick game. I heard it should be possible to use the Odyssey controllers with it @mixedrealityTV Please check! Thanks. But only if i am not satisfied with the 8kX - doubt that.
Edit: Is it even possible to order the G2 in Europe?
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G2 is only $600 as it has inferior tracking capability hence it automatically cuts $500 off the price of otherwise supplying it with Valve Index controllers and base stations.
Think how cheap Valve Index headset would be with G2 tracking and G2 controllers.
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I rewatched your video and you said it has the best picture quality of any VR headset you’ve ever tried so far. That is impressive. The picture looks like in real life. Even the dirt in the fingernails.
The real downside is the small FOV though. I hope the HP Reverb G3 will have a wider FOV without loss of picture quality and allow us to use base stations with index controllers.
Yeah, it all comes together, the resolution, the lens, the brightness of the display and especially the colors. FOV is improved as well over the first gen model. I also thought it’s tough to go back after being used to Index/Pimax but actually that was not the case since the picture quality is just so convincing.
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Does it look just as good from a far distance as it does close up? For me the Index and even the StarVR One look pretty clear when looking at close objects in Half Life Alyx.
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