MRTV: Pimax 8K vs Pimax 5k Plus: SDE & Quality Comparison At Maximum Quality Settings & Supersampling On

[Sjef]

Yes sir, since pimax 5k is very comparable in terms of SDE to the Vive Pro. See Voodoo’s pics, Vive Pro looks considerably better a couple of times.

[jojon]

@Heliosurge

A moving image your less likely to notice blurring.

To cut a quote from Mr. Plinkett: “You may not have noticed… but your braain did”

This was one of the points at the back of my head, though, and closely related to where I believe you were sidetracking with the textures thing: You have people who don’t like high framerates in the cinema; It looks too real for their sensibilities - the realistic smoothness, and the highly reduced (no longer needed) motion blur, as well as the better material for the brain to sample temporally, makes it all too obvious that that rider of Rohan’s chain mail is in fact just a knit jumper. - When everything was a blurry, stuttery mess, they could let their imagination fill in the inclarities.

I can easily admit that I find the cross-hatch SDE of the 8k more pleasing to the eye, than the strict rectilinear, blocky style of the 5k+, and it certainly helps with aforementioned “Shrödinger’s detail” ;), but if certain things that have been claimed are true, there can never be more actual detail to pluck out in the 8k - only detail that your brain glosses over, or interpolates (and here I generally disagree with sjef’s standpoint when it comes to upscaling. Again, though; We have seen, right on this forum, people who prefer their TVs’ upscaling lower definition content, to native lower definition, even though larger scale consensus is that such is a scourge :P).

…so is it better acuity, or better imagination? :7

[Sjef]

Sorry this goes a little above @heliosurge’s head. He likes to discuss things like if you watch a HD show on a 4k TV if you can then call that upscaling or not. Can you explain that one more time please Helio?

[StkNRdr]

Maybe I’m alone in this but I think I hate color banding more than sde.

[kw23]

@Sjef

Yes sir, since pimax 5k is very comparable in terms of SDE to the Vive Pro

Please stop trolling. The HTC Vive Pro was worse SDE than the 5K.

Here’s the high res shot (most of the performance videos aren’t shot through the lens but seem to be captured by fraps or similar tool):

Pimax 8K und 5K - Der Mega Test! Ist VR 2.0 endlich angekommen? [Review][Virtual Reality]

Also, instead of putting words in his mouth, here’s what he reported:

@VoodooDE

Display - Screen Door EffectA huge difference to the old headsets! On the 5K+ you will still see the SDE when you play games or watching movies. On the 8K you really have to concentrate on it to see the SDE.Both headsets are doing this MUCH (!) better than any older headset, so don’t worry about the SDE, its great on both headsets. Please keep in mind, that you need a very high resolution and a future graphics card to really take advantage of the small SDE.It’s still much more fun than on old headsets.

(Emphasis mine)

[Sjef]

@kw23

Here’s the high res shot (most of the performance videos aren’t shot through the lens but seem to be captured by fraps or similar tool):

Eh? And you feel that Pimax is the winner there in that part of the video you just linked?

[Heliosurge]

I know you still don’t understand sub resolution 2 vs 3 sub pixels.

Maybe if someone releases a 4k pentile oled & upscales qhd input to 4k you will understand it.

[jojon]

@Sjef

LOL. You do realize @jojon actually knows what he’s talking about?

Umm, I believe you have a little too much faith in me. I am really just some random layman with an unfortunate inability to leave the keyboard alone, like most of us.

@StkNRdr

Maybe I’m alone in this but I think I hate color banding more than sde.

Yeah. One of the things that makes the Rift rather unpleasant to use, to me (after the cramped FOV).

[Sjef]

@Heliosurge

I know you still don’t understand sub resolution 2 vs 3 sub pixels.

Yes, it’s kind of hard to understand all that pixel stuff and HD/4k tv’s you’re talking about. I should go back to reverse engineer pimax firmware and hack the panel’s config codes like I did with the Pimax 4k. That’s a lot easier to grasp.

[burstingtops]

Are you two married?

[Sjef]

Well he must be really good looking then . I wouldn’t marry him for his brains.

[kw23]

@Sjef

Eh? And you feel that Pimax is the winner there in that part of the video you just linked?

Yes. I don’t care about the 8K and whatever wrecked his photography of it. The 5K noticeably has less space between the pixels. And the text is easier to read. The color temps are closer to 6500K than I’d like, but I also hate the 2700K looking temps of the whites in the 8K and Vive Pro. But color temps are software changeable. Having a shit subpixel arrangement is not.

And… because you missed it the first time, please read:

@VoodooDE

Display - Screen Door EffectA huge difference to the old headsets! On the 5K+ you will still see the SDE when you play games or watching movies. On the 8K you really have to concentrate on it to see the SDE.Both headsets are doing this MUCH (!) better than any older headset, so don’t worry about the SDE, its great on both headsets. Please keep in mind, that you need a very high resolution and a future graphics card to really take advantage of the small SDE.It’s still much more fun than on old headsets.

[SweViver]

Let me give you an example.

PiTool 2.0, SteamVR 100% on both:

Now THIS is what you will see in games.
I cant really say neither of them looks better than the other, but at least it gives you a more real-life example, instead of a black text on white background chart.

[burstingtops]

Hey Sweviver, I realized that Sebastian brilliantly added his logo to his comparison pictures. If these are going to be floating around the internet for a while why not give yourself a free plug?

[SweViver]

Im not here for the credits

[kw23]

@SweViver

Let me give you an example.

PiTool 2.0, SteamVR 100% on both:

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Now THIS is what you will see in games. I cant really say neither of them looks better than the other, but at least it gives you a more real-life example, instead of a black text on white background chart.

8K on the left? 5K on the right?

[SweViver]

@kw23

8K on the left? 5K on the right?

What would you say?

[kw23]

Left has better blacks, and weird discolored pixels on the edges of the lines… so I’m guessing that’s the 8K.

[StkNRdr]

@SweViver

PiTool 2.0, SteamVR 100% on both

Would different settings produce a better image of this for each HMD though?

[bubbleball]

I notice about this too, but have though that sweviver already seen sebastian image.

I think @SweViver should test other game like sebastian test in lastest video and use the same setting, then compare between both again.