Matteo311 review - Pimax 8KX VS Valve Index

Well when I asked last oct if Pimax would be sending review units out. I got a somewhat sensible answer.

I understand wanting to wait until everything is perfect so you can put your best foot forward.

BUT… I remember thinking whats to stop guys like tyrielwood from simply buying or borrowing one and reviewing it. After all its out now and you cant exactly embargo people from reviewing it.

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Unless your lucky like Thrillseeker or myself and have the right physiology to not have any issues at all.

#WorthIt

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And right after the pendulum swung in their favor with Thrillseeker’s excellent review.

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So you dont have a bad mic,eyestrain,Mura? Then your very lucky…
If i hadnt these problems i hadnt sold my 8kx

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no eyestrain.
mura maybe a little bit not not enough to bug me
mic. I dont really use it.

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If you give a look here @SweViver

Pimax Setup – Pimax VR

at point 6 “After the device is properly connected, the screenshot of the PC is as follows.”

WoW

you have the headset already recognized

But they did not talk of nothing

The most amazing thing is they did not say " Put On the headset pressing the key over the headset at the exact moment in the procedure when this is necessary: before or after the base stations are on, before or after pitool is installed and running, before or after steam vr is installed and running… "

They take it for granted that the user knows what is steam Vr

The things to explain are

A) First installation and running
B) closing the headset
C) Every day using
D) Troubleshooting

A) do not need explanations

But i would like to say , i have bought two towers for base stations. There is pratically only a product of this type and i have imported this in italy - anyway - why have I bought them ? Because @SweViver @NextGenVR and all others experienced people using Pimax have them and this is part of a working well Pimax VR headset.

A question : IF you play only with steamvr is it true you can make only the roomvr setup with steam vr and not inside Pitool . Is this better ?

B) What to do when you have finished to play: To close pitool manually and then windows or not, to put off the headset or not , to disconnect the headset or not; to clean lenses ecc what Pimax suggest to the user

C) How to resume the game the day after: Nothing should be taken for granted. What mode for base stations , what is the procedure etc And then It’s better or not to have w10 installing the updates, same for Steamvr , Pitool, firmware. Pimax should always show the latest version of nvidia driver they have tested with the last pitool and firmware.

@PimaxUSA @PimaxQuorra
I don’t Know why i am writing this message.
i do not have a graphic card , my Pimax 8K X is in the box and the warranty is ending
I made a ticket, If Pimax could help me. I need help.
I think in China there are graphic cards and i am not speaking of Colorful
This is a task for a manager
You see graphic cards now have price higher than msrp before coming on the market
This trend could continue next year
Make attention Pimax cannot push the market With Pimax 8K X super or Pimax 16k
if not have a fix for this issue

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Yep, exact same experience for me on the 3 points you list.

No eyestrain issues. I don’t seem to have the IPD clarity issues that others have either but I am eager for the IPD guide to get released in PE just to see if the image can actually get better from what I already have.

I’ll also mention that I don’t have any issues with distortion either. In some games I can’t see any at all even when I look in the far corners for it. In other games I can see it if I look in the far corner for it, but in the course of normal gameplay it is not noticeable.

Mura it there a bit for me, but I can easily overlook it as long as I’m not intentionally trying to see it

I don’t know what the quality of my mic sounds like but I don’t do multiplayer games other than PokerStars VR and it has worked fine in that game. The only other use of the mic I have is in Skyrim for using the Dragon Speaks Naturally mod and any game that I use Voiceattack in. Works great in those situations.

I definitely would not want to go back to using an Index at this point. The only thing I do miss from the Index is the sound, but I’m using a DAS at the moment so the sound is fine. I am still curious about how good the DMAS will sound though. If it ever gets out of the current delayed release spin cycle.

The only other thing lacking in my 8KX experience is getting a better GPU. I’m currently using a 1080ti and while everything works fine, I know I’m not getting the full experience at the moment. Don’t expect to be able to get a GPU anytime soon though. Been on the EVGA que list since September and still nothing.

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Pimax is for enthusiasts and not for noobs. In this group you want to assume that they know the basics.

Instructions should always be aimed at a novice. Advanced users either skip over or not read unless they get stuck.

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I agree with this that docs should always be aimed at the novice. Recently feedback from daily installs flows back to the teams doing docs and other customer facing pieces. It will take some time (small company) but over the next few months people will see many improvements.

Of course that doesn’t stop us from including tips and more for experienced users as well.

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Patterns are often consistent without much change in most things in nature.

I’m still waiting for the final MRTV 8kX review. What happened there?

Pimax wanted to prove Sebastian wrong over production v pre production models. I was looking forward to the outcome. Then silence.

If Pimax want to send me a 8kX for review instead I’ll gladly do one.

Change my mind.

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He reveals his dislike of Pimax (since the debate with Martin) weekly in every German podcast. Do they expect a fair rating?

I did get the mic to sound at least as good as the Index mic with my Voicemeeter setup. I thought about making a guide but got lazy.

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hmm… I’ve messed briefly with voicemeeter before… a guide would be handy if you’re saying it can be improved so much!? pleeeeease :smiley:

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I’ll see if I can get around to it. The issue I had with the guides I could find is they all just increased the gain which introduced a ton of background noise. So I used a denoiser and then increased the gain.

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Definitely could use a guide to resolve this design flaw. Now it can be said this was initially introduced by MS changing the generic windows usb audio driver; save that this has been well known and pimax should have tested and used different hardware &/or provider there own driver.

The community overall has been doing a great job coming up with much needed fixes for a variety of design issues.

:beers::sunglasses::vulcan_salute::sparkles:

I actually liked the video and that he compared his experience to his Index. That he still preferred it, for the reason he stated, even while granting the 8KX’s superior fov and graphics when he could render them at a level to where he could differentiate.

@PimaxUSA
As for your “I wish Martin or I would have had the chance to talk to him”
What’s stopping you? It’s not like you can’t reach out. You may even get a more positive revisit review.
I’m sure he’d love some of that “Could have resolved his issues very quickly” magic you wield.
Now, I appreciate that as COO you have much more on your plate than to deal with everyone’s issues, personally, but you did find the time to post 12 times without offering even 1 of those quick solutions. Not even as a hypothetical possibility.
Just sayin.

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Actually I’m pretty sure that, in most cases, it has nothing to do with physiology but everything with panel misalignment. Because:

  1. Somebody here reported that setting the right offset fixed issue’s for him and his girlfriend who shared very different facial features
  2. People only experience these problems with Pimax headsets, not with other headset
  3. People who have received multiple 8k-X’s said they needed very different offset settings for the different headsets.
  4. The Pimax engineers themselves must have realized this too, as recently they changed the behaviour of the software offset settings. In previous versions, changing the offsets would change camera angles (so compensating for iris differences). They changed that so that now the camera angles are not changing anymore, indicating they just want to offset for panel position.

So you’re just lucky your panels are correctly placed. Others need to compensate for misaligned panels. It’s of course nice that Pimax offers this option. But it would have been MUCH better if they just got their manufacturing together and sold headsets with the panels actually aligned.

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I just looked up PimaxUSA’s post history on panel alignment and found this post he made

https://community.openmr.ai/t/manufacturing-discrepency-in-panel-lense-placement-could-be-the-cause-of-eyestrain-and-distortion-affecting-some-headsets/22338/4

https://community.openmr.ai/t/manufacturing-discrepency-in-panel-lense-placement-could-be-the-cause-of-eyestrain-and-distortion-affecting-some-headsets/22338/7

Assuming that was true and Pimax does actually now have an automated calibration process, you’d assume that robots would detect panel misalignment and manufacture devices consistently in the same manner, and with millimetre prescision.

However since that time I’ve noticed the same thing, people saying they need different offsets between different 8KX devices they have, and the stuff you’ve mentioned in your above post @Djonko just further cements the fact that this problem is still an ongoing issue.

Panel misalignments have been a suspicion and concern raised on quite a few reviews, could you please shed some light onto why this may still be occuring with an automated assembly line which uses robots to manufacture the 8KX, as well as the digital tool you have to detect panel misalignments as you’ve previously stated? @PimaxUSA

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