'That is why is good to not be the first adopter. wait till enough people try the new product then make a decision then
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The point is, there is a number of competing headset, cheaper headsets, which do not require mods to perform as advertised… so the market is no longer an early adopter prototypey market any more. HTC ought to do their homework better.
Of course in comparison to Pimax it would be different, but Pimax is an enthusiast device with a known high degree of fiddling & possibly modding required. This is probably why it is being routinely ignored by some reviewers - it is not addressed at the greater VR market.
So over the years not one HMD has been released without something to moan about.
The index got a rough time prior to release for the wacky headphones and it’s price.
The rift S, not enough of an upgrade from my model x
The Vive pro, not enough of an upgrade from my model x
Quest, not enough………model x
Every single Pimax has been bashed.
So even though I am really expecting the worst after reading the reviews, I’m going to try it for a week and if I like it I’ll keep it, if I don’t, it’ll go back.
However one thing that’s really ringing the alarm bells is the fact that MRTV hasn’t released his video review.
Especially after he let it be known he had the unit among the first.
It’s almost like he’s playing it super safe, I feel he’s waiting on the community to post the “ possible “ disappointment on day one then one or two days later his final video review will be let loose.
Seb has a great following, and he relies on VR companies letting him have early access to support what he does.
I’m not saying he’s bias, but with the VP2, he’s definitely laying lower than normal ?
His absence is really really concerning me.
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I have seen loads of fellow VR racers cancel their orders following the first review on you tube.
Seb must have seen this and decided to hold back as not to rock the boat too.
MRTV in the past has done an unboxing video.
Then a preview/first impression.
But not this time, yes a written review, but that’s never going to have the same viewers as a YouTube review.
Good thing I am not a reviewer, because “thanks” to my misshapen form, I have had to modify every headset I have ever owned. :7
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Sure, but, lets be honest here, we all do mods one way or an other. and enthusiast will pretty much be tinkering. The G2 definitely needs a mod to fix the FOV. Vive pro the aspheric lenses etc…
Anyway, will wait for the consumer reviews
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Well i got a shipping notice (only notified not received) last night so hopefully it will be here on the 4th unless they just created it to be quick.
I do wonder how well does the motion smooth work and how much artifacting is there? This is one of the things i was somewhat looking forward to switching to the VP2 but if its just as bad as Pimax then its really no different.
Sadly i cant use the 8kX due to eyestrain (my eyes are sore from tuning a bit much even after a 2 weeks with no VR) so i dont have much choice here. At worst ill use it for a week then ship the VP2 back and deal with the eyestrain
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For anyone thinking that the Vivo Pro 2 needs a mod, please keep in mind that the optics (and the relevant lens warping functions) are designed for particular eye relief (eye distance from the lens). So changing it will also change the perceived image. Probably not much, but still.
The problem is that (apart from few exceptions) the headset. manufacturers shoot for the average Joe eye relief, so depending on how you differ from Joe you may experience different results, one being using a custom face pad actually improving not only the FOV but the whole geometry, the other making the geometry worse.
However, in @VoodooDE case who has the eye relief much bigger than Joe, I would recommend the thinner pad for every day use just to compensate for this difference.
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HTC simply could have saved themselves a lot of PR headache by:
- Including a thinner facepad
- Upgrading the mic
Neither would throw off profitability and they’d be reaping broad praise. Instead here we are…
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Sounds familiar… 
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and getting rid of fresnel lenses . Their engineering team saw the great results of the gear vr mod , why the hell they cheaped out by building in plastic frenel lenses ?! I dont tell me it was weight or price !
Agreed though from the write ups HTC primarily changed optics and panels with much of the original VP unchanged. It is very curious why they can’t seem to make a decent mic.
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I’m actually looking forward to your thoughts on the unit.
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In their review of the G2, tweakers.net wrote (translated from dutch)
“In practice it turns out that the FoV of the G2 depends, more than other headsets, on the shape of user’s head. Do you have a somewhat wider head, your eyes will stay further away from the lenses as compared to a smaller face, which presses deeper into the face plate… HP doens’t make different faceplates (yet) but users have designed printable faceplates which will get your eyes closer to the lenses and increase the FoV. Again, if this is even an issue, depends on the person”
By the way they link to Sebastian’s video to explain this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUmoUEZPCc4
These are not invalid reviews at all. Quite the contrary, where your review only states what YOU see, these kind of reviews are more objective and contain interesting info for people with different headshapes than yours (which will actually be the majority of the people). If I only had to go by your review, I would never buy the Pro2. But most likely what you see will be very different than what I see so it’s actually then YOUR review that’s invalid (for me!)
In the end, you should ask yourself: what is it that you want to achieve? Just write about your own experience or maximize the value of the review by providing valuable information for an as wide as possible audience to support their buying decisions, as good as possible?
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To be fair any reviewer can only report on what they experience with the headset. In this case the ability to improve the FOV by purchasing a separate face foam is really not something that the reviewer should have to do when reporting on the out of box experience of a headset. It is totally on HTC to provide whatever is necessary to use their headset to it’s maximum potential in the box if they want reviewers to take something like that into account. You can’t expect any reviewer to say something that is not true for them because that would truly invalidate their review. That’s why its good to read many reviews to get a feel for how a product performs for a variety of people. Especially when it comes to something as subjective as VR which can be so easily influenced by a person’s physical features and how they are wearing the headset. Follow up reports to give advice on potential headset mods are great but they are not the same thing as an initial out of box product review which is what Voodoo’s review is.
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It depends on what you want to achieve as a reviewer. If you want to write a review for n00bs who won’t even know what a VR cover is, then yes, you’re right. However there’s a huge amount of users, probably even a majority, who have different foam types laying around or are willing to buy them. So why not attend to their needs?
But you can write things like I just quoted. You can use objective tool’s like risa’s tools, you can try to investigate WHY it is that your FoV is so limited and analyze if that’s going to be true for several face types or just yours.
Limiting yourself to only report what you see really limits the usability of your review to that minority of people who has the same face type
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Reading everything posted and you see all sides of the discussions.
However I’m watching the timing on MRTV dropping his review.
We all knows it’s ready, or at least as near as by what’s been teased already.
Honestly, I’ve got the feeling that MRTV is waiting on the units landing in peoples houses before he drops the review. It’s so unlike him, you simply cannot deny that his views are missing and I’m starting to question his integrity.
If you purchasing a unit and then calling it a lemon on release day that’s fine, but to do so after going public that you have a unit in your hands a week before does nothing to show your impartial at all and not respectful to you audience.
And this is where I feel we are, we’re all kind of waiting for A review that we know has been waiting to drop for a few days, which could give us all the chance to rethink if we’re going to cancel or not.
And if MRTV does feel uncomfortable with having early access on devices, he should simply refuse them and only review public release items that he’s bought like the rest of us, at least his integrity would remain unquestionable on an item that the disclosure agreement was lifted on the 27th of May.
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Not sure I’m following you. He now says the pro2 is a lemon??
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No, he’s speculating as to why MRTV hasn’t released his video review yet. I watched MRTV’s podcast from Saturday and he said that he was taking his time with the video review because he wanted to do a really long thorough one instead of releasing it quick. He said that he hopes to release something by next week. He said that he went ahead and released the written version early so that people would have time to make a decision on pre-ordering at the reduced price that HTC was offering.
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