HTC is back! Vive pro 2 with 2.5k * 2.5k per eye @ 120 hz

Why we don’t hear anything from sweeviver :smiley: ?

Would love to see a review of the Vive pro 2 on his channel :slightly_smiling_face:

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While his G2 enthusiasm was very high, he was right in the sense that for sim usage, the G2 is almost perfect. Myself and a few others in my group who moved to G2 from various devices have been very happy with the G2 for driving. The only issue anyone had are due to AMD’s general platform instability. There’s ways to work around those also but it’s not a HP issue.

It does seem for non sim usage where you need tracking to work well, it falls short of the promise and it’s controllers seem notably behind others but none of us have even paired ours.

What’s missing is a G2 that works just as well for non sim usage. A Pro 2 could have been it but seems to have it’s own list of issues.

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He’s no longer active as a VR Youtuber. Honestly, how could he, everybody would know he is biased. I would be, if I were an employee of one of the companies, nothing you can do about it. If he parts ways with Pimax one day, he might come back, who knows. I did like his content & dedication to provide comparisons, FPS measurements, etc., that’s true, so his absence is a loss.

Don’t get me wrong - I am currently using the G2 as my primary device too ! It is good, and I happened to focus on space games & flight sims in the past 9 months.

Still the preview of Seb was awful to watch; he simply tried to give all the aspects of the headset a positive twist, seemingly aiming at getting us excited enough to hit the button so to say. I could make a video presenting the same facts in a way which makes you avoid the headset or be tempted to buy it just by the way how I act, which subconscious message I convey.

So I am not trying to say the G2 was crap - if you saw my recent comments here you might have noticed that…

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Not true. This measurenent comes from a tool that collects the headset’s requested rendered FoV(risa’s tool is not subjective it is hard data(

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Still waiting on Ben/RoadToVR’s review. Not sure what happened there. We know Ben visited them at one of these showcases (was it CES? Cant even remember) and that Ben wanted to review one. But nothing since then, not sure what’s been going on there … I think Ben would definitely call them out for distortion and other shortcomings. But all in all, after all patches and upgrades the 8k-X actually is a decent headset IF you have the time to figure out how to configure it correctly. It’s currently my go-to headset.

I surely felt MRTV was way too positive about the 5k+. But I don’t think it was because of commercial reasons.

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Ah, okay, missed that one. Point taken.
Still the deviation of 3° degrees would count as one of the rather minor crimes in terms of marketing bla bla, as you pointed out earlier already…

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Agreed of course. I still think Pimax, being really naive, hired him because they thought they could leverage on his youtube presence and make some kind of Pimax marketing channel out of it. Of course that would never work, for the reason you just stated. But luckily Sweviver turned out to be really useful by pushing the Pimax Experience, which Pimax really needed. And from what I’ve seen he’s been doing a great job presenting and organizing events, so in the end it was definitely a good choice to hire him.

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Another french review on reddit says: that black levels are good, but it’s basically because the contrast is low, he goes on comparing to the index, saying index is much more contrasted but worst black. he says that low contrast is probably to counter the glare issues…

So i have a feeling this vive pro 2 will be a another headset wich is to dull for me… The brightness on the g2 was for me a good sweetspot…

Damm i want your varjo 3 with great colors @Djonko :rofl:

By the way if somebody still want to preorder you can get it here the cheapest i think:

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Haha well about that … that plan just may have blown up in my face … I had supplied my cargo forwarder in Miami as the company address. Now the package is being held in Alaska with a clearance delay and Fedex needs some info that can’t be filled out by non US residents (like social security number etc) … I’ve asked my freight forwarder to do it for me, but if they deny, the package will be sent back to China… Fingers crossed …

Dammmmmm dont let that christmas present go​:wink::rofl:

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What I would like to see is physical through-the-lens measurements using calibrated optical equipment, taken by multiple independent laboratories.

Doc_ok did did his ppd plots (in e.g: The Display Resolution of Head-mounted Displays, Revisited | Doc-Ok.org) based purely on HMD data, but those are of course dependent on the accuracy of a number of things - noteably the manufacturer’s distortion profile.

Incorrectly acquired numbers are of course always going to be bad, no matter what unit tails them. :7

So? These are measurements for the real world, and are all “undone” by the time the light from the screens come out of the HMD lenses.

-Better people learn to understand the proper applicable “native” scale in the first place, than being given kind-of-equivalents in contexts that do not really relate, and depend on a multitude of conditions (EDIT: e.g: “How far do we stand from our 200” screen?"). I am not even going to be humble about that opinion, and I’m not exactly free of self-loathing. :stuck_out_tongue:

The ludicrous blue monstrosity in the picture below has huge screens. This is needed to cover a large FOV with much weaker lenses than what sits in the two real headsets in front of it, and makes the device much deeper as well. Those huge screens naturally have a lower ppi than what sits in the Index and P8kX, but that doesn’t matter; What matters is how the pixels are distributed over the field of view created by the screens and lenses in conjunction.

(Now, one thing I am not entirely unlikely to gain from having such low ppi screens, is better fill ratio. :7)

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An important tip I have for those watching VR YouTube reviews is to pay as much attention to what they mention in passing or what is omitted as what they praise.

Sometimes when you try a VR headset and then you re-watch someone’s review, you understand some subtle mentions you previously missed.

That was my experience with StarVR One when I had re-watched MRTV’s review.

It’s also the fact that everyone will have their own subjective experience, ie, distortions bother some more than others, etc.

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It would be good save unfortunately due to him working for a vr company some viewers gave him a considerable Hard time due to feeling he couldn’t be objective. Which is in part true and in part false. However anyone in a position working for a vr manufacturer would face this kind of scrutiny.

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I’m pretty sure his channel is dead, save for the occasional Pimax promotional video.

Besides, he rarely reviewed hardware so doing so now would be highly untrustworthy considering his allegiance.
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When do you think we will ever see a Tested Review?

Its weird because they are where this whole sordid story began. We know they have Pimax hardware(maybe not the 8kx).

They even said on their channel that they had one.

Maybe they’re waiting on the controllers?

I feel like Tested reviewing the 8KX would be the end of this chapter in VR, the ultimate Verdict so to speak.

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I doubt that was their primary objective.

@SweViver , the person (Martin), as a spokesperson did more to improve Pimax’s poor communication and get the awareness out there than anyone.

I mean look at him at trade shows, even before hiring him he was right there on the front line organizing them, helping people try out the headsets ensuring people got to see demos of games that we really wanted to see instead of endless fruit ninja demos.

Honestly, he has always been more devoted to their success than Pimax themselves have been.

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This is where imho I disagree. As long as he were to avoid comparing to a pimax headset or maybe just stick with a straight evaluation free of comparing to other hmds he could likely give a fair review.

However publically many would have difficulty seeing his evaluation as unbiased.

Tbf though I would say he is on a much better path with PE with Armin and focusing on making pimax better as he has been doing.

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Tested would be a nice follow up as one of the early first Kickstarter reviews. As RoadToVR was the first to review the 8k v1 prototype at Ces 2017 in January iirc. Long before the Kickstarter was even announced in Was it summer of 2017?

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This is so true, another tip is, pay attention to a youtuber’s other non-review videos or other forms of communication.

I’ve heard youtubers say things on other podcasts or on discord etc that can shed an interesting light on comments they make during reviews.

For example. when guesting on Rendered Reality Tyriel mentioned that his XTal review didnt happen because the unit had severe issues of world scale being wrong because his review unit had quality issues due to possibly improperly calibrated lenses or bumps during shipping, or software issue they thought the solved.

This definetly wasn’t mentioned by him on his own channel . But made me realize that even a $8000 headset is just as susceptable to “Pimax Problems” as every one else. Which are maybe made worse to deal with because they aren’t really a gaming device and may cost more to upkeep.

I mean how many people can you go to when you have issues, its not like they have a whole community like we have here on these forums.

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Yes Marcin and the other M1 testers did wonders especially those who where able to attend the Berlin Backer meetup(dubbed 3 musketeers).

Marcin has since then and being hired has really shined with attending Demos as an official pimax representative and his dedication in organising the PE Project.

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