Crystal is here. Reserve yours

Thx,i will for sure give my honest opinion…I have and had enough vr headsets too compare…

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Haha, I’m “that transsexual”, I suppose :rofl:
I’d have preferred to be known for literally anything else, but sometimes it is what it is.

I generally agree with you about the free stuff though, its hard to say something bad when you’ve got something that nice for free to play with. I reserved a Crystal out of pocket, so if its awful I’ll be plenty irritated.

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Guys, do not miss the Pimax EU roadshow announcement and signup pages for the events:

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I thought it was Bradley.

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Good to hear from you again Sweviver/Marcin.

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It’s only a reservation not a preorder, you can cancel after reviews or trying yourself on roadshows. To get a good place is worth the 36 euro’s for me

@hammerhead_gal, @PimaxUSA : Does the Crystal also count towards a 12k purchase? Just in case the 12k turns out cool enough to warrant an upgrade.

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No, it doesn’t.

You can see that in the FAQ section. They have also confirmed elsewhere that the crystal is not included.

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He has many, many tasks. We are preparing for the roadshows, large events and setting up support systems among other things.

The main thing I remember you for is your acid wit. The first of your videos I saw was on Pimax’s eye tracking module. Scathing… and entertaining!

I’ve found your reviews to be on point. You’re pretty up front about the jankiness of Pimax, and I think you capture the situation accurately in your videos without hyperbole. Pimax makes arguably the most powerful products available on the market today if you can cope with the jankiness of both the product and the company. They also make some duds like their eye tracking module that they should just take off the market.

I’m actually particularly interested to see your take on the Crystal. I think that Pimax is focusing efforts specifically toward getting past the jankiness they’ve been known for, and I consider you a good source for judging whether or not they succeeded.

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I thought that’s just what all VRchat users are like

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Well said and I agree completely, Jamejame’s guide to 8K X setup is easily the best video resource out there on the topic.

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Aww thanks :slight_smile:

I’m really looking forward to digging into the details of the Crystal!

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Frankly I don’t think Qualcomm’s XR2 chip is powerful enough to drive 12k resolution. Right now even RTX4090’s DP1.4a cannot drive the 12k resolution. Only DP 2.0 can support dual 8k displays. So if you want to really able to see 12k in full resolution, you might have to wait until RTX5090 or Qualcomm’s XR3.
This is why for now Crystal is the only practical play for Pimax. Maybe Pimax has to switch lanes and make the 12k AMD GPU only ?

Of course it’s not, and Pimax would never claim as such. Sure the XR2 can’t drive full Quest 2 resolution unless in very undemanding applications. The standalone is just a nice bonus as a result of the SoC. Expect perhaps slightly higher than Quest 2 resolutions but on much better panels and at a slightly larger FOV (assuming that the XR2 is well cooled and not underclocked like the Quest 2).

That all said, I think the 12K is most likely to be 2x1.4 DP. They can’t limit themselves to such as tiny market as those that own the latest AMD cards, it would be suicide for the product.

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Observe that the XR2 is not in the video path when wired or using 60GHz wireless.


The XR2 only comes into play when using WiFi 6E. When operating in this mode, it will likely be similar to Meta’s airlink or virtual desktop and probably will not be able to achieve resolution which would max out the 6K panels. That doesn’t make the high panel resolution useless, however, as it will still produce a better upscaled image than a lower resolution panel.

A DP1.4a theoretically could handle 2x6K panels using a combination of DSC and foveated transport.

However, it hasn’t been clarified whether the 12K will use 1x or 2x DP connections. It would be useful for it to use 2x, as there will be games which are unable to use foveated rendering which will force the 12K to run at lower resolutions if it only has 1x DP.

The 12K’s displays are 6K, not 8K. And DP 2.0 is not the only way to drive such high resolution. It would be the best and most convenient way, however. And it’s disappointing that the 4090 does not have it.

Nope.

Almost certainly not. I think Pimax will continue their apparent relationship with nVidia and keep nVidia GPUs as their primary platform to support. AMD GPU support will probably eventually appear as well. Eventually.

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“Believe half of what you see, none of what you hear” - Bruce Lee

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I think 2x1.4 Dp makes a lot more sense in general anyway as many will want to use the 12K on older headsets. Of course they won’t be able to drive it at native resolution but that’s the case for many people happily using the 8K X right now.

As for that image above, that @Sargon shared: What is the PCVR engine it mentions?

I read the wiki about DP again here:

Here is what I understand: without DSC, 1.4 can only display 4k @120hz, 8k@30hz. With the help of DSC, 1.4 can display up to 8k@60hz.
So how can Pimax guys squeeze more bandwidth from 1.4? 8k@60hz signal is already compressed by DSC. How does it achieve 2x6k @ 60hz ? By more compression?
Foveated transport ? It is not part of the DP standard. I wonder how it really works.

I agree with SmallBaguette. Maybe 2x DP1.4 cables is the way to do it. It adds a lot more bulk to the cables, but at least it will guarantee to work.

I think that’s why Aero is only compatible with Nvidia as their implementation of DSC can do 3:1 lossless compression so like 8K@90hz (just as an example, not sure if it can actually do that). So if you combined that with 2 DP connections then you’d be able to get 2x 6k at a decent refresh rate I imagine.

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