Seems like it will be dual display port, note the 2 oculink ports:
A future revision with DP2.1 would be nice. I wonder if they could make a decent single cable with dual DP1.4, if it is like their current fiber optic cable but doubled then it wouldn’t be so bad.
Pimax basically replicated/reverse engineered the StarVR One lol.
Haha, although the form itself indeed looks a bit like the StarVR, the StarVR didnt have this Pimax typical ‘fried egg’ design.
I wish they had hired those guys though, their lenses seemed actually quite good, ALTHOUGH it was also hard to judge since they didnt have physical IPD adjustments so they always gave me tremendous eye strain. Not sure how that would have been if the lenses would have had the correct IPD. Yet I always felt that between Pimax, XTAL and StarVR, that last one indeed had the best wide FoV lenses.
Also the StarVR had quite bad resolution, so also not sure how well those lenses would have worked at higher resolutions. And that definitely does matter, as I now understand per that latest lens tech video that I posted here not too long ago.
Yeah Pimax are trying to keep the Aspherics of the Crystal and use Fresnel for the periphery. Could be great but how much quality will be lost?
The other thing is how hard is it to manufacture a blend of glass and polymer? Pimax has already complained about Aspheric glass yields. I would imaging mixing the two would be way harder than just having all polymer. This is where I would differentiate Crystal to the 12k. Have the 12k as a pure gaming headset and keep the costs down.
With Hypervisions pancake lenses bubbling behind the scenes we know wide FOV in a small form factor is coming. Pimax are setting themselves up for a long term loss. Big and expensive is not a winning combination unless you have huge profit margins from government contracts which Varjo and VRgineers seem to have covered with the VR-4 and XTAL 4.
yea i loved the star vr one the time i had it,if it only had a better resolution… Great comfort too…
StarVR One no. But the previous models did. 
Well as for Hypervisor the 12k mockup looks like their previous non pancake wide FoV lenses.
I am sure though we can both agree the pancake wfov lenses there making will not likely come to a consumer headset for quite sometime. Plus are they going to fuse panels like in the Panasonic 220 FoV prototype? That likely inspired them to create their own fused lense prototype?
From what I recall the form factor was in par with BSB though folded up more like glasses
After thinking about it, I now change my opinion. I am worried about PIMAX.
They desparately try to sell a product (Crystal) to me I don´t want. (all those advertisings) At the same time zero information about the 12K.
As we now can see Apple raising into VR, and no signs from PIMAX, I am to loose faith.
The clock is ticking, latest end of this year I will decide to go further with PIMAX (buy a real product) or see a true opponent delivering.
As others told, even a revised 8KX with all those features of the Crystal would be sufficient, at least as a next step. I am not sure it will happen at all…
Welcome to the club lol.
Yes indeed. CES was Pimaxes chance to show the 12k in it’s current state. The fact Pimax couldn’t muster a prototype must mean they have no plans for a wide FOV HMD in 2024.
Pimax can’t even show their current headset with wifi6e enabled when its suppose to be an AIO.
I can’t wait for MRTVs next interview with Nordic. Seb “Why did you bull crap us last year when you said the 12k was coming to CES 2024?” Nordic “Well you know, we’re Pimax”
I’m not sure what the $30 million is getting spent on other than lavish CES expenses.
My eyes are on Samsung, Valve and Pico this year. One of them is going to have a killer headset.
Actually add Meta. I think they might go all in on a Vision Pro competitor by the end of this year.
i hope they suprise us… By the way also maybe Meta can suprise us like they did with the quest3(wich is a great device) bring it on…
Hmmm.
I have no faith either. Neither Samsung nor Valve or even Pico have thought about wide FoV at all, as far as I know. The Siemens Sony collaboration just sucks, for example.
Why should they all care? Besides us specific enthusiasts, there is no one who asks or even is able to think about. They mostly and merely are easy going consumers without imagination about what´s possibly achievable even now.
In future, I might be urged to change to business solution, as I cannot see any company even willing to cope with this requirement.
Sad.
Strongly disagree here. People want it, but it’s just that it’s really hard right now because of limitations of current lens technology. Of course you can create some half baked lenses like Pimax did and a certain amount of customers even seem to be happy with them if I read the posts here. But it’s just not very good IMHO and I think a lot of companies feel like that. So it’s only logical that most companies focus on smaller FoV and improve on increasing the PPD while the GPU power grows. However we’re now close to reaching the point where even more PPD just makes no sense so companies kind of will be forced to switch focus to increasing FoV. But it’s hard, we really need a breakthrough in lens tech. Pancake was an awesome breakthrough for VR (even though the tech itself exists for a long time already), I’m sure there will be more breakthroughs like that, hopefully sooner than later.
Yes, pretty sad Pimax continue tease the notion of 12K “coming soon,” “maybe Christmas,” and it never happened. Why do they keep saying stuffs that never happened? How many times do they keep making mistakes and expect people to trust their words? I have lost all faith in Pimax, the team, the strategists, the communications. I am not buying Crystal, stop sending me constant email advertisements.
Yep. Meta and the AIO HMDs only want store sales and an ecosystem monopoly. FoV does not fit into this business model.
PCVR with limited DP GPUs is hampering high bandwidth ultra high resolution HMDs.
And then there’s only so wide an aspherical lens can before you’re back to fresnel or pancake.
What I’m suprised with is how Pimax have released a medium sized HMD is a wide fov chasis. If you look at the Crystal tear down 33% is empty space.
You mean copied from StarVR as that is more or less their original lense design.
Interestingly they(StarVR) started with stacked lenses.
All these early wfov lense designs use trade offs/compromises. Now wearality sky was a juggling act of compromises but achieved a 150wide without Canting using a single screen.
It would be curious to see someone hack upgrade a StarVR One lenses to High res and see if the Optics are still great. Never understood them decreasing the rea as they did from the og 5k models.
I think it still comes down to wfov compatibility with end users. Until we have a really good wide FoV lense design. Most will play it safe. Though no real reason imho that we shouldn’t have the FoV bumped to a legit 130 with current low FoV optics.
170° Wide perhaps. As Xtal uses custom aspherical lenses. 
Really shouldn’t surprise you as they did also release the Artisan that capped out at 125 wide Plus there saving on making new molds and having to create a special specific line for Faceplates and other modules that may need to fit a wider frame(well only really the face plates) 
Same mould for two different headsets might of saved some production time and money if they were released at the same time but when size and weight becomes one of the biggest reasons people won’t buy the headset you have to wonder if lost sales actually saved anything. It’s shocking to think a Pico4 Enterprise has the same FOV as the Crystal and more features like working Wifi6e.
Let’s face it any manufacturer has 4 main goals when designing a HMD, size, weight, features and price. Crystal fails on 2.5 of those.
Not sure what you mean? You’re talking about the 12k lenses? Because the originel Pimax “fried egg design” lenses look 0 like the StarVR ones.
Not sure what you mean with this? Eye box? Even that is not the whole problem. Even with extremely small eyebox, it’s with current tech rather impossible to create wfov lenses that are geometrically stable and have sharp image over the whole FoV.
If I remember correctly even Pancake’s start to lose sharpness after 110 degrees.
Well they are selling fine in spite of using the large frame. So it doesn’t really seem to be affecting sales that badly.
The fried egg lenses are the same style as the previous StarVR lenses used prior to StarVR One. The 5k model that has 60hz and no SteamVR compatibility at all.
You do know as Marek commented about Eyestrain and if you recall there is a user here that the Xtal’s were a complete no go.
We will have to wait n see if Hypervision’s new pancake hybrid fixes the eye strain issues for a greater audience.
Pancakes we know though are still not the end all due to some of there flaws like light efficiency. Wonder if Meta still working in Half dome or moved on to new things
