I disagree. The count of subpixel per area seems to be less. No matter how it is layouted, it should always be about 50% higher.
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The 8k was never made with the marketing that it was the second best headset. We knew all along that it was a 1440p signal upscale on to 4k panels. They successfully created this. Just because they upgraded the 5k at the end doesn’t mean they failed with the 8k. They realized that the 5k + was better and they offered 8k backers the chance to switch with 100$ on top. Asking anything else is ridiculous. If the 5k + didn’t exist then everyone would be happy with the 8k because there was no better product to compare it against. No one expected native clarity until they saw one in action, now they want that with the 8k. Well that’s not possible, that’s the 8kx
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What is ridiculous is incentivizing pimax not to improve the 8k
or to be satisfied with an headset that is collectively agreed not to live up to it’s specs
The 8K is less precise than a cheaper model while it should at least have the same precision
The reason that we backed the 8k was because we thought it would be better than the 5k
however there’s no clear " good option " choosing a headset means making compromises
and it’s not how it should be
when you’re spending 800$ on a headset, you want the best headset
and not something that has less precision and framerate than a cheaper headset
it’s not too complicated to understand this, is it ?
In that sense, despite all the good will of Pimax and their competences being demonstrated with the 5k+
the 8k backers should be allowed to upgrade their pledges to the 8kx
and if pimax wants to stand a chance against the starVR, they should improve the 8k so that it actually performs like it has a 8k screen, and not like a meaningless compromise
A. You are speaking for ONLY yourself here - I am perfectly satisfied with what is on offer.
B. The assumptions are yours alone - I backed so that I would have a chance at making VR history with the first commercially available Wide FOV headset - which I will be getting and is more than over 60% of KS backers ever see.
C. I am happy with the 5k+ because the appropriate hardware does NOT YET EXIST to power a headset with 2 4k panels at native resolution.
D. I am also pleased and thankful that we are finally getting a product released and in our hands - I will remind you that it was not too long ago that this very forum was filled with pitchfork wielding villagers ready to burn the company down.
In the future, please refrain from throwing around your “we” or “8k backers” as your views are NOT representative, nor sanctioned, by everyone here. Your opinions are yours ALONE - please phrase them as such.
Finally, I would like to extend my personal thanks to both the Pimax team and the testers, this project could never have gotten this far without the dedication and input of both.
Congrats on making it into the ranks of the 30% of KS successes.
Cleaned up the formatting a bit to make it easier to read
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Does anyone complaining have a recommendation for a different screen with a better horizontal/vertical pixel layout? I see a lot of people demanding more from Pimax but no one says oh hey did you check out these screens?
I seriously doubt Pimax just didn’t bother to check to see if there was a better and affordable 4k screen out there and purposely made themselves look stupid.
Pimax set out to make the best affordable headset possible. During their R&D they found out a 1440p panel was better. Great! that means it looks better than they expcted it would!
So in compensation they are offering backers to change their headset and receive a credit. What is the problem here?
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I don’t care about you or your opinion, I want a better headset, so get lost
There is an obvious collective dissatisfaction with the 8k. If you’re satisfied then why are you even there ?
I suppose we don’t know if the original 5k had a similar pixel layout to the 8k? I wonder what led to Pimax developing the 5k+ model. Were they unsatisfied with the screens? Or did someone notice a bunch of nicer screens were available at a very reasonable price?
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Here for the duration buddy…
Wondering how much pain you will feel when such an obviously advanced case of cranial rectosis fiunally resolves itself…
I’m here because I want to be. And I am tired of others thinking they can speak for me - and I am starting with you.
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PISTOLS AT DAWN!!!
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It’s great they made the 5k+ but since they haven’t communicated too much recently, we don’t know what they’re going to do with the screens or why did they choose them ( I certainly don’t )
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$800? I got my Pimax 8k for $449… Your statement about standing a chance against StarVR is just classic internet considering the StarVR is slated to be an order of magnitude more expensive and not intended for consumers (i.e. a used car type price). I hope StarVR surprises us all and prices it low but to them “low” would probably still be *double the ultimate retail price of the Pimax 8k.
On the incentive Pimax has to improve the 8k I guarantee you they have ample incentive. I’m sure they committed to significant quantities of that LCD panel both up front and forthcoming deliveries. If they don’t improve it they will wind up stuck with lots of LCD panel assemblies they cannot sell. So IMHO they have 3 options: 1) if possible improve the software and firmware to achieve better clarity or 2) Use those panels in the 8kX when its available and as you suggest even offer some sort of upgrade (few people will do it because of the added graphics requirement though I probably would) or 3) Make an 8k+ that incorporates a delay but replaces the scaler and other parts needed to achieve the goal.
At this point I bet very few people stick with the 8k vs. the 5k+ unless Pimax pulls a rabbit out of its hat.
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Who knows? Maybe they had some extra R&D money sitting around, or the manufacturer contacted them trying to make a sale on their new screens and Pimax thought they would test them out and we surprised with their performance? In the end it really doesn’t matter… I would much prefer to have the option of the current 8k and the 5k+ than the current 8k and the old 5k.
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how much money cost to pimax the 4k panels and replace them with new ones?. 120$ between discarding the first and buying the second.
We can share those expenses, and I for $ 60 prefer paid it and wait a little. If they can not take care of the expenses that suppose that they inform us how much we paid and already it will be studied.
All this if there is a 4k panel with the current technology.
Please PIMAX, 8KX CAN NOT CARRY THOSE PANELS.
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Replacing those 8k lcd panels would indeed make a lot of sense
60-120$ is not crazy expensive, and that the backers pay for this upgrade would ensure Pimax’s safety
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Seems like some people just can’t be satisfied…
We have two great HMDs and we get to just pick our favorite and voila!
Edit: just screw the numbers and look at the image, what do you prefer?
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This: it is pure psychological. 8 is higher than 5, so something higher is better. Everything is laid out that way in our lives. 5K sounds less than 8K, but it might be better, or not. It’s mindboggling. It is all against our nature to except anything less than was signed up for.
A smartphone series start with 1 and now we are at 10 or 11. And Pimax turns it around. It is really hard to grasp. You see many people struggle to accept 5 instead of 8.
Maybe, just maybe, the numbers should be left out of the name. HTC doesn’t do it. Oculus just names them 1 and perhaps 2. StarVR names it One too.
Techniques change. So keeping a certain technique in the name as the type of panel is risky. It will change. So will the name. But for future sake, you need to think out a strategy to naming the HMDs.
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I would gladly take time and try to understand why some peoples ( some time nice and clever peoples too )
seem to actively want to prevent pimax to make better headsets with better components
despite so many comments of peoples not being happy with it’s current state
( I didn’t invent these comments did I ? )
despite the 8k having been publicaly seen to underperform compared to the 5k+
At the moment and with what I know, I really think that backers paying for better LCD panels for the 8k is the best solution
I have 2 dumb questions:
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How is anyone even supposed to run an 8Kx when VR SLI isn’t implemented by nearly anything?
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Why can’t the video card itself do the same thing the scaler does on the 8k? Or maybe the scaler should have been external so that people could bypass it.
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But that is the issue. What panels are better than the ones they are using? The only ones I found mentioned was the ones google is working on.
But they aren’t available until at least 2021 and will likely be very expensive.
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- There would be nothing that could drive 2 x 4k panels at full resolution.
- They are utilizing a scaler because the limit of the display port is being reached and is unable to drive 2 x 4k at 90 hz. 2 x 1440p at 90 hz is the max.
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