The problem isn’t the scaler itself, the problem is the diamond pattern of the pixels, blurring straight lines and spreading tiny details into a diagonal
Any similar 4k panel without a diamond pattern would do it I guess
If the current screen manufacturer could change the pattern back to a normal pattern, that would do it as well
As you’re stating, the output would still be 1440p There would still be more blurryness than the 5k+ but probably less color banding and accurate straight lines
I understand your frustration at the opportunity to downgrade purely because I had an early bird 5K headset pledge which I changed to the 8K (non-early bird), and am now looking to switch to the 5K+ anyway, so mostly I’m just gutted I didn’t stick with my good deal! Haha.
Despite this, I’m incredibly happy I invested in the Kickstarter. I feel like far too many people take it as a standard shopping opportunity, when in reality you are providing investment to a company. Judging by the things pimax have achieved so far I am EXTREMELY happy to have invested in them, they are going to be key players in the evolution and further commercialisation of VR. They documented risks really well in the initial campaign’s FAQ, and compared to 90% of the kickstarters I have pledged towards they have had as good or better communication throughout (this seems to be something companies REALLY struggle balancing with crowd funded projects). Anybody who does a lock of research into Kickstarter (or business projects in general) should know that aggressive timelines have to be taken with a bucket load of salt, so taking that into account I’m impressed by their delivery time.
Why do people always think that the performance is not available for the 8K X?
Have you ever heard of virtual desktop applications? Have you ever heard about the possibility of watching movies with virtual reality? Those applications can be rendered in 2*4K and even more.
From Swevivers review, we know that the 5K is not as high res as needed to simulate a 1080p screen. However, with two times as many pixel (and subpixel) we might be able to achieve this or come quite close. That is a reason on why people might have chosen the 8K X. But with those stupid 1.5 subpixel per pixel panels, this is not possible.
But… More to it than just the panels. New panels = new power profile, lens adjustments and more. Pimax said it took them 4 months simply to change out the panels in the 5K+. They haven’t even invented the 8KX yet. You have any idea what the delay you are talking about probably would be???
For people freaking out, 8K-X new update is due next month.
Once that’s out, 8K owners can chill out as the backers of all headsets will have an idea when they should receive their headsets.
Just because you have two 4k panels that are fed native resolution, doesn’t mean you have to render the game at 4k. You could easily undersample to the same resolution you would use with the regular 8k, and performance would be exactly the same, exception being the compositor would have 2.25 times the workload doing the (post game rendering) lens compensation, compared to the 1440p output fed to regular 8k.
Now, I have not actually tried this myself, but any GeForce 10x0 card, even the 1060, should have multiple display port connectors, and sufficient pixel clock to feed two 4k displays at 90Hz, and still have some left for a 1080p desktop monitor, and I don’t know that doing this has any impact on the card’s rendering resources.
That happens already, in the lens compensating barrel distortion stage - always - with or without an upscaler on the HMD – you just set output to native resolution, instead of the smaller transport image for the upscaler.
StarVR is coming. The 8k can be potenially comparable to the 5k+ sharpness but never 100% due to the pixel stacking.
The 5k+ & 5k & 8k are higher res than StarVR One. So either can be better save vs the contrast limits of lcd vs oled.
Qhd screens have more options.
The 8k csn have the same sharpness as the 5k+ if the picture is rotated 45° to match pixel layout.
Pimax can use the same size actual panels, or same size pimax 5k+ panels but with the pattern and real 4k display, maybe more power profile its needed for sure, but i think dont need any lens ajusment and others things.
There is not problem to delay 6 month if it is needed. I am backer for 8k and 8kx, i dont have any problem for wait time if the product is significaly better.
Simple 8k 4000+ backers 5k considerably less.
So pimax has been very good to offer the 5k+ vs shelfing it & release later.
Indeed either will be nice.
Indeed. Though some of us know 4ohm speaker is actually more efficient than the 8ohm one. 
They will when able. For example the 8k-X if better screens are available will likely be used.
The 8k will make beautiful “×” & the 5k+ will make nicer “+” due to pixel arrangements.
This is why Iam waiting (for my HMD? oh yeah…) for videos since even when stand still we moves anyways, its just not like when putting the hmd on the desktop.
It cant change it all, but…maybe…hopefully…static picture increase the mess, in some way. Since pixels cannot arrange correctly, lets let them fly around ^^
So source us the right panels & each backer could supply these panels for pimax to build our headsets!
there we go, I’m being harassed by the moderator because the idea I agreed to isn’t 100% in alignment with pimax desires
I agree. I would prefer waiting for a proper panel for the 8K X. With those panels neither 5K (nonplus), 8K nor 8K X make sense. Especially if you think that 50% of calculated pixels are basically wasted on those. I doubt people will buy them.
Really no I just understand the picture. Both will be nice & have different benefits just regular perpendicular lines will be fuzzier on the 8k like diagonal lines will be fuzzier on the 5k+.
Either choice is higher Res than any current headsets & higher Res than tge unknown price of StarVR.
So is it necessary to complain your given a choice for the headset that more appeals to you?
Like I Said it appears more that the 5k+ should have been shelved to release at a much later time as a new retail model instead of considering the community. Is what your demonstrating here.
So am I harrassing you or are you Harrassing pimax because you can’t see they offered you a choice of something better due to your preferences?
Well I had a dig and it looks like we might be waiting for a while. There really doesn’t appear to be anything else in the smartphone size display at 4k. Could have sworn I saw some 4k pentile OLEDs but not even those are turning up now. I think for the next while the only choice is what we have. So 8k/8kx for movies and 5k for most anything else. Until and unless pimax can coax someone else to release a better suitable display there isn’t anything that can be done.
There are many peoples being disapointed by the 8K here, it’s a fact. I’m not making that up
We are all talking on the forums, on the youtube comments, whatever.
This here is a fact, there is no denying that
I’ve been asking for anything that makes the 8K behave like a 8K I’ve been expressing my interest to pay for that
You can send me infinite comically misplaced answers such as " build it yourself "
( you’re attempting at being comical I suppose ? ) nothing is going to change the fact that better panels would improve the 8K and that judging by all the complaints about the 8K , there’s a lot of disapointment about it