Varjo Aero sounds promising

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I know the varjo has its downsides but i’m super curious about its clarity. Not having perfect blacks has never bothered me and varjo say the distortion will be fixed, lets see. I dont think im too bothered by edge distortion either - the 8kx has peripheral distortion when u really look for it but now i never see it.

You’ve been there and done it when it comes to varjo so i do respect what you’re saying.

I have my headset roadmap mapped out: aero in Q1 2022, a quest successor (if there is one) some time time in 22, and 12K in Q4 22 (probably later :))

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Dont get me wrong, am curious about the varjo aero too because the clarity on the vr3 was amazing even with those short comings… :wink:

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I can agree to most of his criticism. Yes the Varjo is not perfect, the distortion is still a problem. But I certainly do NOT agree that he says there are better alternatives, even at a better price. I wouldn’t know which! I own most headsets and they are all gathering dust cause I just can’t go back to them after the Varjo clarity.

Index? Awesome geometric stability but the resolution and screendoor are just so outdated
G2? Too much problems with that thing. Haven’t tried the latest version though
VP2? Nah this thing just feels weird
Pimax 8K-X? Used to be may daily driver before the varjo but no way I can go back to that resolution/SDE. Also still had distortion problems although much less than the Varjo. But the Varjo just looks so much better.

So I’ve decided to keep my Aero preorder in since the weight for me is the biggest disadvantage of my VR3. Maybe something better is coming along in 2022, which would make me jump ship, but who knows, might take longer. … I don’t see Pimax releasing their new flagship in 2022, but again, who knows …

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I hope that the 12k Qled was at least tried with these amazing new lenses but in a configuration that magnified the image less.

I am happy that Pimax is shooting for even more FOV, don’t get me wrong, but I cant help but feel like more PPD at current FOV is where it should go.

Pimax are only 25 PPD away from a brute force retina configuration with these panels at the insane new FOV.

35 PPD (like Aero) across an even wider and taller FOV will be awesome, but what if you could get 45, 55, or even 60 ppd at the 8K-X’s current “normal” FOV setting.

That would be retina, without needing the microled foveated display. It would also help sell the HMD better in my opinion.

Aero $1900 to buy the HMD for 35 PPD at 110 degrees of FOV. driving 2 2880x2720 displays that you can already drive with your current GPU.

Pimax 12k Qled is 6x6k for near human FOV at the same 35ppd clarity at $2300.

As the 12K Qled is currently described, you are going to get Aero visual Quality across a wider and taller FOV, but you will be driving 6k panels to get that same clarity as the Aero across that larger FOV.

I think a better sell would be “better visuals than Aero across the current Pimax FOV” since you are going to have to convince owners to buy new GPUs to reliably drive these 2 new 6k LCD’s after they buy the already expensive HMD. Your talking $4000 all in after a GPU upgrade, if you can even buy one.

The other issue will be software compatibility with your foveated microled display.

If the 12k Qled ran an FOV that was 60ppd out of the box, already compatible with Oculus and Steam VR without software specific changes, well, you can see the win there already.

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Well the Varjo context display is 30 PPD and the focus display is 70 PPD. They have some demos that demonstrate the difference. I clearly see the difference but honestly at least for my eyes (20/20 sight) the 30 PPD is pretty much good enough.

What makes the Varjo so much better than the 8k-X though is not the higher PPD (30 vs 25), but the fact that the image is so extremely clear. In the 8k-X there’s still some ‘smear’ between you and the VR world which kind of functions like SDE: something between you and the VR world, something that separates you from the VR world. Funny enough, I never noticed it, I only started noticing when I was A/B-ing both headsets and trying to figure out why the VR3 looked so much better. It’s just not there on the Varjo. And that’s what makes the VR3 such awesome headset.

So, lens quality and panel quality are much more important than a PPD above 30. So personally I’d hope that the 12k Pimax headset also will have 30 PPD and then just as wide FoV as possible.

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Aero is now shipping and people are starting to receive units so good execution by Varjo and follow through.

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Sounds like an amazing headset. Too bad it would cost me about about $7000CA to buy it and build a rig around what Norm runs to feed it, atm. If I could get the parts. I didn’t pay much more than that for my 2012 Accord EXL Coupe with 107,000 km on it and it , at least, will last for years.

I did find an excellent way to see photo real vistas and great distances though. I took the dog for a walk :grinning:

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Woah I’m just reading the first reports of people who received the headset, very nice!! Actually hadn’t been hoping anymore for first deliveries this year but they made it. Hopefully they can deliver quantities next few weeks.

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I ordered 3 weeks ago so i’m nearly at the back of queue, wonder if i’ll have to wait the 12-16 weeks i was quoted. I’ll be so envious when i start reading about other people using their Aeros for the 1st time. I could’ve (SHOULD’VE) ordered within minutes of them going on sale as well :expressionless:

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I tried that and i get distortion around the edges, with occasional blackouts due to EMI interference when walking by the hydro station.

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My dog (picrel) doesn’t want to go for walks nowadays, he’s nearly 17!

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If anyone is interested, thanks to @knob2001, I was able to update the HMDGDB with Varjo Aero data.

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Holy heeeeeeeeeeeeell. That vertical FoV is abysmal. The horizontal FoV is even smaller than the G2.

Such poor stereo overlap too.

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Did you just receive the Aero?

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No, I was commenting on its addition to the HMDGDB

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I got the g2 and the aero .
The aero s percieved fov is way bigger than the g2 because the whole lense is clear . It got greater immersion.
Only one who got both understands that . I thought same as you though before

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Thanks to knob, and to you too, for keeping the database going. :slight_smile:

Never thought I’d see any new HMD with even worse stereo overlap than the Rift CV1. :frowning:

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Like pretty much all Varjo owners say, since there’s no sweetspot on the Varjo’s, but really just edge to edge clarity, the smaller vertical FoV doesn’t feel that bad at all. If I could choose between a distortion fix and more FoV, I’d opt for the first. Bothers me more than the FoV.

Still, the Aero is the best headset currently out there by quite a bit, in my book at least. Not using anything else anymore. Did try the 8k-X last week and hated going back to that for tons of reasons like glare, SDE, sweet spot issues, comfort, colors, mura and eye strain. Really no way I could go back to that after the Varjo headsets.

Also, the Aero is MUCH lighter than the VR3, make a huge difference. That was actually my biggest issue with my VR3 and the whole reason I’ve bought the Aero. Also 1 cable instead of 2 just feels so much better.

I’m really just hoping Varjo will fix the distortion with a dynamic distortion algo using the eye tracker.

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That actually surprised me!! The feeling of presence on the Varjo is really good. Only headset that in my opinion is even better in that respect is the StarVR, but that also comes with 107 degrees overlap, so I guess that makes sense (edit: hmm that actually also doesnt seem true, since its only in compatibel mode). But how Varjo does it … I thought there would be direct correlation between 3d effect and overlap. Maybe because of the far superior image fidelity it’s easier for the brain to being tricked that you’re really there?

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