Twack3rs Varjo VR-3 impressions

Indeed. Now we just need a V3 pic of the same.

Another one that would be great would be Hellblade title screen/menu.

someone send me a g2 and varjo vr-3 and Iā€™ll have this all sorted out! :sweat_smile:

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those ttls are total BS, he for sure can do better just watch for his g2 ttls when he was fallen in love with it. I also am sure vr3 looks way better, but g2 and 8kx nowhere as bad as on those picts, My bold guess is he just baits and makes hype around it as usual. Probably got sponsored , but for promoting a good hmd its not a bad thing though.

irl g2 looks sharper than vr3 on this picture, focus is bad or blurried on purpose

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I completely agree, the presentation of TTL 8KX in this video is completely incorrect.
When I saw this, I almost fell off my chair, because I use 8KX every day, and I know that 8KX is much clearer than in this video.

In addition, I went to the ROV Test and took a picture on phone of a TTL 8KX in the same place (moreover, I stood even a little further, at the very beginning of the scale, number 24).


Scaling:

This video gives a totally wrong idea about 8KX resolution.

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watching any TTL comparison video through youtube compression via a mobile phone cam is meaningless to argue over guys.

Seb hypes every video for views. Donā€™t fall for influencerā€™s hype. Not saying Sebastian is a bad guy, but he is making videos for his interests, both monetary and personal.

Keep in mind also that the VR-3ā€™s primary feature (the high res OLED foveated display) is not even enabled in SteamVR for any of these shots. At this point, VR-3 owners have a ridiculously expensive Vive Pro 2 equivalent.

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Certainly, all other things that happen to the image will naturally be made somewhat worse by youtube compression and maybe other factors with how itā€™s been created and being streamed.

However, a few of us are still surprised at this video where the varjo was ā€˜a lotā€™ sharper (ie more in focus) still even after all the same vid creation, compression, youtubeyness that has occured. weā€™re just highlighting that the 8kx image, and to be fair to an extent even the g2 image were both particularly badly done in this case making that comparison even more flawed and unfair.

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I understand what you were pointing out, the TTL was badly done. People are listening to youtubers too much. lol

I want to see some VR-3 owners check the Steam VR FSR hack to see if they can trick/force enable the signature Varjo feature. At this point, its less than ludicrous to talk about Varjo image quality when its signature feature is inaccessible to SteamVR.

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Ok, going to do a compare myself tonight, of the ROV test suite, varjo vs 8kx. I wonā€™t post pictures, in my experience pictures are not very accurate when you shoot them with a phone, but going to do some A/B-ing to decide if MRTVā€™s test was correct, I also tend to think the exaggerated the difference.

I get what youā€™re saying, the panels arenā€™t that much different in terms of PPD (if youā€™re talking about just the varjoā€™s context panel). But man, the result though the lens is really day and night. The VP2 just s*cks, mostly because the lenses are just so bad. I should have not bought the VP2, what a waste of money. Great (awesome!) panels but the lenses just ruin the whole experience. Really wanted to love the VP2 but in the end itā€™s just a bad headset.

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Ok, did a quick A/B with the ROV studio. It actually was the first time almost since I got the VR3 that I tried the 8kX again so that was actually interesting. I can definitely say that @mixedrealityTVā€™s test was done badly, itā€™s nowhere as big of a difference as he shows. Sorry Sebastian but this was just bad work, as people already correctly pointed out in this thread.

There of course IS a sharpness difference. I positioned myself right next to the main control with the red button (i was too lazy to pair the controllers haha) and then watched the schnellen test. With the 8kX I found it difficult to read the red underlined text, with the VR3 it was easy. But the 8kX definitely looked sharper than what sebastian posted.

Anyway what hit me right away when I put on the 8kX was the mura!! Funny enough I never thought I noticed much mura on the 8kx but now after having been used to the VR3, damn, thatā€™s really a big difference! I think what makes the VR3 stand out (when just using the context display) is that the mura is next to none compared to the 8kX and the mura in the 8kX actually has quite some impact, much more than I previously thought. I think thatā€™s the main reason the VR3 just looks much sharper. The lack of mura really really has a big impact on the feeling of presence. It still forms some screendoor-ish effect thatā€™s pretty much gone on the VR3.

And then the colors of course are quite a bit better in the VR3 (Iā€™m on an old version of the 8kx though, itā€™s possible that newer 8kxā€™s have better panels, pimax never confirmed that)

In short, I think the mura difference is much bigger than the sharpness difference.

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To be clear because sebastion mentioned it in the video and i thougt he was wrong but Varjo has confirmed (on discord) that the HD displays are disabled on the headset in steamvr unless the supersampling is extremely high. So in sebastions video the hd screens are not engaged.

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Keep in mind that it is much harder to find the sweetspot in the Pimax 8KX and Reverb G2 when filming. Especially when heā€™s recording horizontally. If the camera is not right in the sweetspot itā€™ll look blurrier. The VR-3 with its huge sweetspot looks good at any angle.

Also keep in mind, when a relative comparison is made between G2 vs Varjo VR-3 you can tell the G2 is blurry. But if the comparison was Index vs G2, you would say Wow of the G2. So while our experience in the 8KX is not that blurry, when compared to sharper headsets it looks blurry.

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Well then provide him a real unit.

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Na. He actually spoke thehe words that he couldnā€™t bread line 10 and 11 in the 8KX. I , also being blown away how bad the x looked in his vide pooed back into mine to check, and standing at the spot where your supposed to I can CLEARLY read line 10 and can make out some of the letters in line 11.

He should have at least stated it was a pre prod unit. Either way, his credibility is slipping.

*Tested wide pitool 1/ Steam @100%

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Sweeviver should do a through the lense video with these hmds . He had always good equipment .

Why we donā€™t hear anything from him anymore :thinking:

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Because heā€™s working for Pimax (when talking about YouTube videos)ā€¦?

If he did any kind of comparison it would be seen as marketing (well, heā€™s the European Marketing Director)ā€¦ :slightly_smiling_face:

I, for one, fully understand him not doing those kind of YouTube videos and if he does itā€™s for PR purposes which is fineā€¦ :wink:

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He could do it as an only fans account :smiley:

I would pay for a sweeviver only fans account :sweat_smile:

I donā€™t care for who he is working for , imageā€™s donā€™t lie if enough evidence is provided that the pics are not fake .

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i bought 2nd 8kx and it has no mura, try left/right eye separately, maybe on some units one of the displays didnt get calibrated, i just couldnt enjoy 1fst 8kx due to it, it seems recent units got better at least (Amazon with kdmas) Sound is also ok which i didnt expect

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No one is disputing that the VR-3 looks much sharper than the 8KX, the issue is that the images (video) that MRTV shared give a false impression of how sharp the 8KX is. Although I donā€™t have a G2 it appears to give a false impression of how sharp that is also. People looking at his video would be led to believe that the 8KX looks horrible and the G2 is not much better than horrible (from a sharpness perspective). Even though he says that the 8KX doesnā€™t look bad, the video shows that it looks REALLY blurry. People who donā€™t know any better will form their opinion on what the images show.

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I sometimes want to buy vr3 but reviews like this prevent it Varjo VR-3 unboxing, first impressions and review. - Virtual Reality and VR Controllers - IL-2 Sturmovik Forum it seems its good hmd, but software does lot of troubles for some cases, performance is still not optimized, foveated rendering not clear will be or not ready, 1kg of weight but i guees thats ok as hmd is 550grams and index with 150gramms CW is also 1kg and the worst part is distortions. Ppl report vertical fov is quite less than index, while on it they have around 90 and 76 on it, horizontal also not near the 115, on index they got 106 (which corresponds to my values) but on vr3 97, so it seems hmd is different in regard to ipd/head form impacts, many things, also chromatic abberation reports dont look cool, but might be firmware issues of the last months though.

looks for me like a mixed bag. in development state product with poor steamvr performance optimization.
But sounds still very appealing.

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The sad part is Sebastian was seasoned taking quality TTL shots and if I could find it; irrc he made some sneddon shots of the 5k+ and og 8k that would show just how poor quality his 8kX shot is. Maybe this is in part to him being out of practice.

Or as @PimaxUSA had remarked in the past there is possibly issues on that not final 8kX; it is a shame and on pimax for not following through on sending him a release model as promised. So all he has is a possibly lower quality 8kX to compare with.

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