Tomshardware review of 5K+ [30th Sept]

NO it doesn’t have the deluxe audio strap yet. So none of those other things matter.

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i mean jokes aside vive comes with cloth strap . so the 5k is better than og vive in almost every way that can be measured. black levels? on every other metric it is not only superior but wildly superior.

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So, all those backers in Berlin, some that played games on the devices for literally hours. And even the testers, who have played games on the devices for literally 10’s or hundreds of hours…none of them, Berlin backers included successfully played games? It seems most had an enjoyable time and were not using advanced prototype hardware from the future. You keep showing you are an outlier…and a suspicious one at that it turns out.

You are welcome to take a look at my other headset reviews and decide for yourself. This is not my first time voicing an opinion about a VR headset.

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Yes but its the first where you are possibly allowing your feelings towards the manufacturer to maybe affect your view. Could you hand on heart say you were completely unbiased?

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I must also say, this really is…well…a very very surprising statement. Not better than a Vive or Rift?

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So… welcome to the Pimax forums where everyone is reasonable and always respectful…

After watching hours of mostly glowing reviews from backers it was a shock to read yours. But it’s a welcome reminder that the M2 is a prototype and that Pimax still has work to do. I think 3/5 is fair given that the complete package hasn’t been seen (not just the headstrap, but also the lighthouses and controllers). I don’t agree with half of what you said, but I think it’s a good counter balance (I especially found the comment on the flimsiness of the headset to be useful).

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An impressive, yet psychedelic review from TH.

Maybe the reviewer testing, experienced a migraine aura during testing the Pimax headset or another cognitive spasm occurred, like plugging the headset into the wrong end of a cat, rather than a 1080 TI.

Opinions are always subjective, but such a low score is a peculiar anomoly whose explanations probably are better understood by advanced existential philosophers, not VR gamers.

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Coconut and evertec are both near the mark.

FCAT takes raw measurements in the rendering pipeline before and after the refresh rate is accounted for. So some frames were hitting high numbers, but enough of them dipped below 90 to trip the reprojection algorithm, which does in fact bring those frames down to 45 and skews that overall average.
the important number is the delivered frame because that’s what actually hits the display you’re looking at.

There is probably lots of headroom for better performance, which Sweviver has done a great job demonstrating. He’s sacrificing image quality for performance or performance for image quality though. You can’t have it both ways, which is what I was trying to show with those results.

I could have spent a lot more time tweaking the settings to get the best performance, but that goes beyond the scope of what TH wants out of a review.

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The image quality is not dramatically better. In fact the Vive Pro’s screens are still nicer in some regards.
Pimax has a wide FOV going for it when considering it against the Vive Pro.

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Huh? Out of all the impressions from the testers, people using the device at the Berlin meetup, and even early prototype reviews, did anyone say that the Pimax was worse or even on par with the Vive/Rift.

I mean I’m really not trying to be rude here but you must have terrible eye sight. To say that the increase in resolution and reduction in SDE doesn’t make for a better experience.

the best VR headset list is for consumers to make informed decisions.

I would absolutely not advise a first-time VR buyer to pick up a Pimax headset. If you have money to burn and want the best headset you can get but you’ve never jumped into VR before, the Vive Pro is the best option. Hands down.
I would not advise VR arcades pick this one up either, unless they are building specialized experiences in-house.

The best VR headset needs to be easy for consumers to use without hassle. Pimax does not deliver that, so no, the Pimax 5K+ isn’t knocking the Vive Pro off the top of the list.
That doesn’t mean you won’t see it mentioned on the page.

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Well thank you! It’s the nicest thing someone said to me today. I’m getting a bit emotional now. So it does pay off to visit the Pimax forums.

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Exactly! It’s just impossible that someone who is not simply delusional would disagree with Sweviver.

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For reference, Pimax currently suggests “gtx 1080” and above, and I’m sure from what we’ve seen so far quite a few games will work?

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That’s not what I said at all. As I said in the review, better visuals and wider FOV are absolutely improvements for VR.
That doesn’t make it the best device. Built quality, ease of use, the thought and development put into the overall package are also considerations when I weigh one headset against another.

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I’m jealous of how calm you are and how you’re not getting angry at what he’s saying. Wish I had your patience :joy:

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Thanks for the list of your reviews, it really helps to work out the underlying message here.

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Ok, so the score is a solid 6/10 with the cons being the lack of proper horsepower to run it, cheap feelings about the device and “still in development” software ?

So in reality its a 9/10 for the expert user and a 6/10 to the average Oculus glue eater casual player.

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I whole heatedly agree. Pimax is squarely in the early adopter / tinkerer space. Not something I’d give to a friend to try out.

Disagree, assuming the VR arcade operator isn’t a moron. Setup the rooms, select experiences that work well with the hardware, dial in the settings, and lock the interface down. Though VR arcades would probably want a more durable device (maybe by mixing glass fiber or CF into the plastic).

Agreed.

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