But doesn’t the Aero have two displays inside? One being the bionic 1080x1080 in the center and then the second display being 2880 x 2720 for the rest of the image. The extra resolution PPI is not from the lens it’s from the display. Crystal only has one display not two.
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Hold up, the VR-3 uses two panels per eye but it looks like the Aero went back to one.
Every days a school day.
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That lens comes standard, it’s the lower FOV 42ppd lens that is extra. Honestly I can’t imagine 7 PPD for such lowered FOV being worthwhile unless you using it for productivity in some capacity.
The resolution over the Focus 3 is only increased by 20%? That doesn’t make sense, could you share the numbers? The wider fov standard lenses are touted at 35 PPD, that is a far cry from the 20 or so PPD of the Focus 3. When you consider the larger FOV…20% doesn’t make any sense. So something isn’t adding up there.
Again though, I never thought of comparing the 2 headsets before but thinking about it further for a moment…there really isn’t any reason to. If someone is looking for high quality PCVR with high PPD then they aren’t going for something that requires them to do wireless compressed streaming, and far from the best streaming that there is. The eye tracking doesn’t compare really, and the face tracking is selling a small number of users (for now, it will be bigger later but for now it’s still niche enough to not really affect many buyers imo).
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That’s how all PPD works afaik, there’s no headset that I’m aware of that has a uniform PPD (not would they want to).
I think Pimax mentioned some sort of 70 PPD retina projector in the 12k, to get even more ridiculous. Haven’t heard anything about that in a while, it sounds like the most ridiculous feature of all so I’m guessing if it happens will be on a 12K X down the line or something, but who knows. Just wanted to mention it as it still seems wild but the details were super limited (I’m pretty sure I didn’t dream it… okay looked it up and it’s a thing but seems to be for an enterprise headset and not the consumer 12k but still if that exists it will be pretty wild).
It’s the solution Varjo uses for their VR-3 and XR-3.
It needs a dedicated SDK or alternatively full support for more than 1 viewport per eye on the OpenXR level.
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well, after thinking i would buy a crystal for the past several months i now almost definitely won’t be.
i’ve bought an 8KX (my 2nd) and intend to trade it in for a 12K when it releases in about Q4 2024 
pleased to be a pimax owner again, if my 1st 8KX hadn’t developed a fault i wouldn’t have got rid of it.
looking forward to seeing that fov again 
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the 12k comes out in 3 months 
I would assume it is also delayed by a quarter like the crystal. Not an unreasonable amount of time, hopefully Pimax confirms soon.
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We’ll see I guess.
I consider the 12K to be much more ambitious than the Crystal, particulalry when it comes to the perfect sum of its parts.
Well, that is they key part for such a complex product - but unfortunately not Pimax‘ strength. But we have been told that they revamped their operations thoroughly, so let’s wait and see if that worked out. It has to in order for the 12K to not end up being less than the sum of its parts.
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The 12k will be press-released right before Chinese New year then right?
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I reconsider about buying a Crystal as well. Though it has everything that I want, the $1900 price tag is still too high. Unless there is some way that Pimax can give me a coupon to lower it to $1300, I will have a hard time swallowing it.
When 8K came out, it had lots of advantage over other headsets on the market, but it was still selling for around $1300. Crystal doesn’t have that much advantage, but still $500 over the original 8K ? This price might stop lots of Pimax users from upgrading. We are enthusiasts, but not to the point of throwing out $2000 casually.
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I don’t think the Crystal is intended as the upgrade path for current Pimax users. The 12K is. That makes sense technically, and I think it’s also made very clear by the 12K trade-in program.
I think the audience the Crystal is primarily intended for is current Index owners who have been chomping at the bit for anything to upgrade to as the Index gets longer and longer in the tooth. The Crystal is essentially a super Index.
Thats not what the Pimax video says. The optional lenses are the wider 35PPI - 120FoV horizontal.
Check the 16minute mark.
What you get with Crystal as standard is 42PPI and lower 110 FoV Horizontal. Check the 13 minute mark.
So Crystal is around the same FoV as the Focus 3 but has 36% more pixels not 20%, as I stated my earlier sorry.
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Well between you and me I was going to post the Chinese calendar so Pimax didn’t forget but I thought that go down like Pimax on Halloween - Pumpkin Pi.
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It doesn’t say that? I just watched one min. Will check again tomorrow and share where I saw that the 35PPD was standard (pretty sure it was stated in the release video but I could be wrong as you are referencing the same video saying that it says the opposite). Also Kevin @PimaxUSA said the 35ppd was standard. Anyway don’t have time now but will come back to it.
Edit: I see what you mean now, he calls the 35PPD lenses the ‘optional’ choice. That’s pretty surprising as I was under the impression that 35PPD was standard (Kevin definitely said it was). Personally I would much rather the 35PPD with larger FOV. Thanks for that though, hopefully we get clarification soon.
No problem we’re all here to make truth from Pimaxes ambiguity and non of us are 100% all of the time. As a forum collective we can get to the truth.
To me Josh will end up being right because Pimax would want to market Crystal as a high res PPD headset v the wide 200Fov of the 12k. IMO
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That does make more sense tbh, otherwise it’s just the 12K without the main feature and for not a whole pile cheaper. But the 12K is meant to have interchangeable lenses now also, or at least they are trying it, so I guess the crystal just has the cheaper price going for it (although maybe the panels will actually be better, we won’t know until reviews come out for both). The price difference is decent but I feel like the crystal might be a hardsell for many compared to the 12k, like if you’re spending 1900 you may aswell spend the extra 500 at that point and get the 12K.
After watching the 12k video posted by Sweviver in 2021 I’m even less optimistic about that headset being what they set it out to be. Crystal is simple by comparison with no bionic displays.
Looking at the 12K lenses in the video they’re completely diffent compared to the Crystals. I think Pimax would be in a world of hurt if they tried to make them interchangable. With Bionic panels, wide FOV, eye tracking it would be one of the greatest feats in engineering to then have optional lenses on top.
I really don’t see the 12k coming before Q4 2023 with all the boxes ticked. They’ve really bitten off more than they can chew.
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