In that last image you see the QLED at the back and then the Mini-LED at the front bouncing off the free form lens so the Bionic image is overlayed.
Like i said a few posts ago when Varjo dropped Bionics from the Aero Pimax dropped Bionics from the 12K.
i am realy thinking to skip all these new pimax headsets and upgrade my rtx 3090 for a rtx 4090 and keep my pimax 8kx(and get the psvr 2 in the future)… And also see what the future brings(maybe a index 2)
I’m hanging on to my 3080 for another 1-2 years. PSVR is a given. Great games coming to the PS5. The 12K is a wait and see. We could see Index2 announced tomorrow.
The marketers (all marketers) sure like their buzzwords.
For what it is worth, that video is something of a “Cliff’s Notes” cut of the full presentation, replete with retaining subtitles robbed of their context, and the industry-obligatory: “one more thing”, parrotting Steve Jobs.
I am pretty sure I recall it being a bit more clear in the complete video, which parts come with the base unit, which are add-on modules, and which are pie-in-the-sky work in progress for a future higher-end version.
Doesn’t make the short cut any less muddled, of course, but still…
Santa will get the kids a Pico 4 for Christmas.
Please read my previous post again more carefully. I am not disputing that Pimax dropped a feature that was shown in the video. However, I am trying to be careful to keep different company’s marketing terms for their features separate as I believe using them interchangeably and imprecisely is causing confusion on this thread.
I think you’re right about this. Pimax clearly views Varjo as a direct competitor. I hadn’t previously noticed this particular move and countermove before though. That’s a good catch.
Pimax must have thought they would need to implement their own version of that feature in order to compete. But once they knew that wasn’t the case anymore, they quietly dropped it. And I’ll bet they were happy to do so.
Making the bionic display actually work on the Varjo VR-3 requires special API support to be built into whatever application is being used, so this was never going to make sense as a consumer product feature. Pimax didn’t even give their own version of that feature a product name in the video, which suggests to me that they probably had some idea that Varjo would likely not actually be including it. But they couldn’t have known for sure until Varjo actually did their presentation.
I am not sure why you consider the fact, that Pimax used bionic when referring to the two displays (as shown in the screenshots above) as meaning two bionic lenses (and that being something substantially different and not comparable to what Varjo coined when introducing this term)? What am I missing here? It‘s about the displays, not lenses and it mimics pretty much exactly what Varjo means when saying bionic displays?
I am thinking along the same lines, my PC is generally up for updating (i6700K, 2080Ti) though it‘s not really desperately slow of course, but (I say this with a lot of caution but the coming days should provide more clarity) it looks like the 4090 might offer a two generational leap over the 3090 and that would mean I would get a 3 generational leap if upgrading in the coming months, plus a state of the art CPU (mainly needed for MSFS).
That will be an expensive procurement, and there are further interesting products lining up like the infamous Apple Reality headset slated to be announced in January, if I should believe some of the rumours. And we are now constantly talking 4 digit numbers, no longer is it a question of a couple of hundred bucks to get the newest toy. Not having indefinite resources I need to be really picky when it comes to new headsets, even the Quest Pro is no longer a given for me, I will need to carefully consider what its added value will be above my G2, Quest 2 (and 8KX).
Bionic Lens System™: This is what Pimax refers to in the video and all other marketing materials. It refers to lenses which are aspherical in the center portion and fresnel in the outer portions. The purpose is to be sharper in the center and to eliminate god rays, but it does not affect PPD. There is no other use of the word “bionic” by Pimax.
Bionic Display™: This is the marketing name Varjo uses for the dual panel per eye arrangement in the VR-3 which produces a 70PPD central area. This feature has no relation whatsoever to Pimax’s Bionic Lens System. The only thing they have in common is the use of the word “bionic” in the name. They refer to two completely different things from two different companies.
Pimax does show a 70PPD central area feature in their video but this feature is not given a name. It appears to be similar to Varjo’s bionic displays. But the feature is not actually a bionic display because that is a design and trademark that belongs to Varjo. Pimax never refers to it as a bionic display. Pimax would have been making their own clone of it with some internal design differences.
The 70 PPD system pimax mentioned seems to be a short throw projector or something, but that could be just the visuals for showing it and me making assumptions.
But yeah, they definitely intened on some sort of system that would emulate varjo’s approach to having a higher PPD center point but to reiterate: They did not call it bionic displays. The lenses are called bionic, not the displays.
Bionic display, retina display, I never mentioned Lenses. I used Bionic because I was always comparing Pimax to Aeros Bionic panels.
So are you suggesting Pimax stole a trademarked name from Varjo and re purposed it on their lenses? Lol
I was never questioning what they decided to call it, but steeling a technology AND the name would of been a bit much even for Pimax.
Varjo no doubt got the Bionic name from Bionic contact lenses, Pimax can do the same I suppose.
Overall it’s good to see how the VR space has 4 distinct tears.
Meta v Pico - at the low end consumer market.
HTC v HP v Valve - at the mid level consumer market.
Varjo v VRgineers for the Pro Business market.
And Pimax - a Qualcom XR2, Quest Controller, HTC DAS, StarVR Lens, Aero Panel, inovator.
Like I say if they can successfully mash that all together in one coherent headset it will be the best headset ever made.
In any case it appears that Pimax have silently withdrawn the two displays feature for super-resolution, doesn’t it.
I can remeber back to before the Kickstarter when Sweviver was giving it the Wow factor at all those demos. After the Kickstarter finished and Pimax had the money we realised the delays with the 5k were because of the Lenses. It turned out the lenses in all those demos previous were not the actual lenses we were getting. Instead we were getting a much cheaper poly lens and not the glass lenses Sweviver was shilling over. That’s why I’d never partake in a kickstarter again.
You have got to be trolling at this stage.
i think he is right,i heard that too
Nothing of what I’m saying is untrue, is it?
He really isn’t, at least when it comes to the statement you just replied to.
During the first showings of the P2 HMD line which was kickstarted, Pimax used aspherical lens prototypes and those offered a considerably clearer image than what ended up in the ‘final product’tm.
The announcement of the 12K was aimed squarely at Varjo, as was the later announcement of the Crystal as a direct competitor to a small FOV, high clarity (and no focus screens) HMD.
Announcing competitors that are cheaper (Crystal vs Aero, 12K vs VR/XR-3) and more feature complete already has an effect on competitors’ sales, without having to fulfill.
Once you start not meeting the deadlines, this is when those folks might get antsy that decided not to spend on a competitor’s product and wait for the announced product instead. Personally, I’d focus on transparent B2C communication at this point but we’ll see.
I have pointed this out multiple times on this forum, bit surprised @Sargon only makes sense of it now.
@twack3r Absolutely spot on.