RTX 30 Series Discussion - Part 1

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I can see on the picture that there is rog strix and rog strix OC for 400kr more.

If I can overclock GPU by myself can I have similar results to OC version or this model got better components?

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Probably, but the ā€œOCā€ card can probably go a little further too… :slight_smile:

It’s depends on the quality of the chip so in theory You could get a better chip on a non OC version and drive it further, but I would think that the OC cards have the better chips (and that’s why they end up as ā€œOCā€ cards).

Besides at those prices, what’s 400 kr? :slight_smile:

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So about £800-£1000 for a 3080 super/ ti with 12 / 16gb 6x memory
That’s what they really want to sell

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the power delivery system can be the advantage some of the more pricey cards has over the cheaper ones and the oc cards is of cause guaranteed for that frequency

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Someone here reported they had results with an FE card of last generation within the top few benchmarks, suggesting vendor cards may not be pre-binned.

But now I am beginning to doubt that will be the case for the current generation.

I need to watch that video DrWilken posted…

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FINALLY!!!
From https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-synthetic-and-gaming-performance-leaked

https://www.gry-online.pl/galeria/html/wiadomosci/bigphotos/283760750.jpg
https://www.gry-online.pl/galeria/html/wiadomosci/bigphotos/283761140.jpg

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Interesting how the 3080 really pulls away at the highest res.
It’s looking good for the 8kx!

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When just linearly interpolating the Watt numbers, then the 3080 should be 320/250=28% faster than the 2080 TI - or the 2080 TI about 78% of the 3080.
Looks like this is give-or-take the case, so the new node doesn’t seem to bring a major advantage. If they really sell the 3080 for $700 in numbers then it’s good value for money compared to the last gen of course, even if the gain might be more brute force this time.

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Interesting interview with the German marketing manager of Nvidia (in German):

Some tidbits:

  • High Cuda core count comes from the fact that the Int Cores from 20x0 now also can alternatively compute FP, so when doing pure FP calculations, there are twice the cores now, for mixed int/fp calculations it is the same as for 20x0
  • 30x0 series not cheaper than 20x0 series, just much faster per market segment - if comparing 3070 with 2070, 3080 with 2080 and 3090 with Titan. This indicates that the price slot for the 2080 TI is just still unoccupied…
  • Tensor cores can be twice as fast, because they support sparsity for the weight matrices now in hardware. At worst case (fully connected networks) it’s as fast as the 20x0
  • DLSS 2 better than 1 mainly because it looks at several (5) past images, so the number of pixels that contain information about a certain entity is even higher than in a single native resolution image, which explains why the DLSS2 image can have more details than the native image. Also interesting: DLSS2 uses a single neural network for all games, not one per game. (Does that mean that DLSS could be generic at some point without the need to train it for individual games?)
  • The GA102 was apparently optimized for being able to cope with high wattage. Being able to translate watt into performance doesn’t come for granted but needs to be designed in to still get 1:1 conversion in higher regions (This section might have been addressing objections from people who do the math… :wink: )

One of the more knowledgable marketing guys it seems.

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Then 8kx users want the 3090 or will have to wait for the 3080 ti with 16-20 gb at around Ā£1000 in a while after they see amd’s offering , 3080’ 10gb for Ā£600 will be very hard to get hold of

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RE binning:

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yeah, for lots of people, especially if they’re already running a pretty beefy machine, 2080/ti or up there, it will make sense to wait until things has settled down and all the offerings are out there before making up their mind on how to spend their money.

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Yepp, Igorā€˜sLab is a great site in the tradition of Tomshardware back in times when it was still good (he was a senior editor for TH and editor in chief of the German TH site. Got a 100 years ban in the US TH forum when he pointed out that a certain article written by the then US EIC, which was just unreflected adverticement and openly mocking TH staff, damages his and his colleagues reputation).
He also has a German Youtube channel, quite informative and amusing to listen to :slight_smile:

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Yes, they will. It appears that nVidia is artificially limiting supply to keep the initial price high (and that Samsung’s yields are fine). In October, once AMD’s cards are out, nVidia will supposedly ā€œstuff the channelā€ and 20GB 3080 cards will finally be available, but with an inflated price. It also appears that AIB’s cooling solutions will be inferior to nVidia’s, which is no surprise, considering it reportedly costs over $150 for the cooler alone.

My recommendation is to wait a few months (at least) for the prices to drop.

Source:

Also available as a video:

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With Pascal the expectation for the (1200$) Titan buyers that a TI would be out in 4 to 8 months which would match performance. So you were essentially paying a premium for having the top performance of the generation 6 months ahead (not gonna mention the titan xp).

I’m wondering if they’re planning on repeating that with Ampere, a 2080 super/ti that matches 3090 performance with a bit less (20gb) vram at 1-1.2k $

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I’m not a huge GPU expert but simply looking at the price ranges, it would make sense. Performance-wise, the gap doesn’t seem to be that big, but without proper benchmarks, it’s hard to tell.

I was preparing to spend up to $1500 for next-gen (I’m on a 2080Ti with an 8k-X and need all the power I can get for supersampling), but if the perf increase is marginal (<15%), then I’m not sure if double the price is worth it when it comes to 3080 vs 3090.

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I think it looks pretty likely.

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i’m often hitting 10-11GB vram in use with stuff like modded skyrim and vrchat so i’m having a hard time settling for the 2080 if it had had 16gb then I would have had a far harder time to convince myself to spring for the 3090

edit: i’m currently on a (mostly pointless) double Titan X Pascal setup

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MS flight simulator , xplane 10 gb is just not quite enough lol

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