Pimax Portal Disscusion

@PimaxUSA @hammerhead_gal @SweViver

I find the PIMAX portal interesting. I am curious if the portal will be limited to Software within your pimax store, or will it have an emulation layer for Oculus go and Quest 1 & 2 titles?

The xr2 should be able to run many many Android games, but I’m curious about its value as a plug in AIO VR device.

If it has a compatibility layer for Oculus software the way the old 4K had Oculus compatibility, that could be a really cool selling point especially for the price you want to sell it at. So I was just curious if you guys have thought about that at all?

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Atmos’ recurring wishes for a small, inexpensive device were fulfilled. Pimax listened to its customers. :see_no_evil::joy:

That 100% won’t happen. What it will have is OpenXR support, so that will make it pretty trivial for developers to port their apps from Quest, Pico etc.

Not enough stickers though, maybe some come in the box like Apple though?

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As an 8KX owner who was looking forward to the 12K, I view this announcement with new skepticism and pessimism regarding the 12K launch. I could not be less interested in the Portal as a product which appears destined to be mediocre at best (if it launches at all) in the two distinct worlds of handheld and VR gaming.

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How do you know the Pico is better ‘out of the box’ than the crystal? Are you a clairvoyant?
I haven’t looked at the Pico, and I’m not even sure they’re available here. Once again your post here is more about your hatred for Pimax than anything else. it’s a bit tiresome. No matter how much Pimax improves their products and service you’re never going to give them any credit for change or growth are you?

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I own the Pico 4 and it works out of the box. All functions. Wireless PCVR.

Crystal on the other hand will not work out of the box with all functions enabled because Sweviver has eluded to as much.

So no need to be clairvoyant.

Also they are apples and oranges. Pico is a standalone headset first, PCVR headset second. And vice versa for Crystal. Both will perform their respective goals better out of the box . Pico doesn’t even have a direct PC connection and requires 3rd party software (virtual desktop) to really be any good as a PCVR headset.

I watched the presentation again. And this time I was noticing some pretty significant inherent issues especially with the VR controller layout.

The Portal is a transformer. Let’s be clear that its transforming ability is what Pimax thinks is going to differentiate it from its competition. Other products exist to do everything it does, but no other single product can do all of the roles that Portal does.

But the problem is that this transformation ability means it can’t be optimized for any of the individual forms it can transform into.

Take a closer look at the Portal controllers when transformed into “VR mode”. Look at the button and joystick layout it ends up with.

It’s awful.

It’s completely non-standard, and it will require the user’s thumbs to move in ways that I’m not sure are even possible for human beings.

That’s the inherent problem with being a transformer. The control layout makes sense for a handheld, but the same layout isn’t going to work well for VR at all.

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Well something to consider the Xr2 with likely some of the same active cooling system used in Crystal.

So here goes as @tykey6 posted the price is $599?

Which puts it in the Space as you mentioned with Quest 2 and Pico. The Pico seems in many ways better than the Quest 2 as it can more direct connect to a pc.


The benefit The Portal has on these headsets is that it is not just a VR device. It is also a streaming handheld that can also play native games for XR2 in VR or not.

While it had some features that gives some parity to the Steamdeck and Aya. It is more of a middle ground device as it cannot play Native PC games except through streaming or Streaming game services.

Can you imagine if the PSvita had been a device like this?

I think there are other devices that have similar joycon controllers of sorts. Not sure though. However the MAS for our current pimax hmds is a kind if vive pro clone of sorts.


I think most folks are not thinking of the key benefits tjis device proposes.

  1. Entry level Pimax VR device that is comparable to other entru level XR2 devices.

  2. VR standalone or direct connect to PC. Then like the High end Reality Hmds can leverage XR2 features with hybrid rendering. Off loading etc…

  3. Not limited to VR only. It is also a portable gaming handheld that like the Switch can connect to a TV and play multiplayer games.

  4. Wireless Streaming for PC gaming & Streaming services like Xbox and more.

  5. Like pimax Hmds is expandable. So…

  • If the base VR Frame doesn’t have it a pro version say could have ET buit in or an addon for base Frame. Now you Have a lower end Crystal hmd.
  • New itetations of what I will call Picons. Maybe an improved version for ppl who are not fussy on the Joycon like controller form factor. To being more like a split pc conttoller like Stramcontroller.
  • This platform csn be very extensible. The VR frame can also potentially either also have an option to maybe use the sane battery as the reality headsets for extended play and act ad a counter balance. If you bought a reality hmd no need to buy a different battery or now you might have 2.(likely be an upgraded vr frame option maybe)
  • Could also use MAS audio like on reality. Maybe the Reality MAS could be a purchaseable accessory.

Now this device is being offered Free to qualifying DeVs application. This is a very good idea as the sdk will likely be the same one for the Reality hmds… So a VR made game for the Portal will work on the other high end Reality Hmds.

Since it is very affordable even without the enticing free units available for DeVs. Means they can use this device to dev ganes/programs for pimax vr standalone and console.

  • Wr know pimax has said Standalone mode will be likely not be enabled on release. Why? if you have minimal to no content you need to attract DeVs to the Store platform.
  • Getting DeV support also gives pimax another source of revenue instead of just having to release new hardware hoping people will buy each new hmd model.

While I made what might have been a bit Rash comment on the stalled development of our current products may not entirely been true.

We were told our original 8k screens were bing used in another project. This is likely related. We also saw a stall with the p1 headsets when pimax was working on the P2. Reality Series which **Includes"" the Portal is not a small project. On the VR plus side they might be using the Aspherical lenses from the p4k which were very nice; though I suspect it is upgraded from those 53mm lenses.

The 144hz is also boon.

The more time I have had to consider what pimac is offering here. I have to give it a big Thumbs up!

This Device idea also means this device at it’s price point is more friendly for the whole family vs a Reality high end hmd that one might not want to share with younger menbers of the family. Alot will come down to demonstrating the new level of qualitu pimax is reaching for.

The KS imho as they said the project is already ready for Mass production and there are plans to demo on the Roadshow. Siggests the KS is more to give time for Accepted DeVs to give time to have content ready beyond just Game Streaming and tethered or wireless pc gaming.

Disappoint on not getting new update on Crystal and 12k combined with the desire for WFoV is clouding and Limiting our percrption of what this device potential is.

I am sure there are some whom were disappointed with The Artisan release which did end up bring a good move.

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Jesus, there’s enough negativity here to make anyone depressed.

I think the problem is far less the product itself and more the whole timing and circumstances of it. I think the idea of Pimax wanting to sort of move beyond purely the VR market isn’t a bad one in terms of trying to keep the company afloat long term and make it grow into something larger.

Emphasis idea.

Kickstarter itself is also not a terrible sign by itself, I have seen some small/medium sized companies use it as more of an interest to gauge the market and see if people even want it. KatVR, for example, has launched multiple successful products in the consumer and enterprise sphere, yet it did Kickstarter for the Kat Walk C2 for that reason. Tens of mill isn’t chump change in the business world, but it’s not a whole lot for bigger companies, but smaller companies may still be able to have that spending power, but cannot take wild risks with that kind of money without some kind of assurance.

However, my example with KatVR? They were quite proactive before the Kickstarter. Before it even began, they had sent out some review units to multiple people and had videos going up either shortly before the kickstarter or soon after it began. This showed a lot of confidence in the product and also their capacity to make it.

Pimax, on the other hand? Uuuuuh, well, we’re finally gonna be getting roadshows to let people try it, but that’s come well after the product was announced, and the kickstarter will even be going up before those roadshows have begun. They have not sent out review copies to people to give major impressions before this stuff goes live.

And there in lies the problem here. The current situation makes it easy to view Pimax as being flaky or unfocused. Were we in the timeline where multiple reviews already had a Crystal and videos going up, even if the crystal was not launched to the public, we could have something tangible and with third party impressions on if Pimax has managed to pivot and has stuff to start showing success in their rapid scaling up. But as of right now, we don’t have any Reality device and there’s already been some delays and pushbacks from it, this while confirming it will ship feature incomplete.

Yet, then here along comes Pimax announcing a device which is everything and the kitchen sink at once. When we’re still waiting on what they already have promised.

Offering a budget option is not bad.
Trying to expand their market pull from a tiny, niche enthusiast market is not bad either
Trying to grow the company larger with that is also not bad.

But Pimax is clearly attempting to scale up very fast and without having something from their new plans with a track record, it does not inspire confidence. Yes, Pimax has released several HMDs before, this ain’t Decagear. However, Pimax’s new plans are a huge step up from their old HMDs and promising so many things we haven’t seen from them yet. And thus it’s hard to put significant faith in them for it.

I’m glad that we’re finally getting roadshows to demo these products and get some third party impressions(Even in a controlled environment), but it shouldn’t have taken this long or gotten to this place to begin with.

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Need to be sure that the Portal deck is work great for 6dof.

When video present about using vr game to play in Portal deck for 6dof, but the direction of tracking is opposite. So it need to check the opposite movement (left to right, right to left, this is different from gyrosensor checking in nintendo switch which not care about direction of player).

It look you need to have 2 modes of tracking, inside-out tracking and outside-in tracking.

The more they delay the product, the more it loses value for sure lol.

This is just totally false. They don’t look at it that way at all. How do you explain the 1000 free headset dev kits and countless others we have provided, or the many road shows or many other obvious signs that the sort of thing you are just outright fabricating is just wrong.

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Comes from the same few people. Had we announced water is wet they would be posting pictures of ice.

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So Portal has the XR2 chip, how is that gonna manage 4k res at 144Hz? The Quest 2 just about manages with an XR2 at much lower specs. Just wondering.

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@PimaxUSA Does mini pc can install steam or pc game? What is os?

I think that’s because there are some serious problems with the Portal as a product. The concerns I bring up are not pessimism. I am not, for instance, speculating that Pimax won’t be able to make the features they described in the video.

I’m saying that there are serious problems with what they showed which would have to be addressed somehow for the product to be successful even if they released the product tomorrow with all features exactly as described.

Who is the target audience for this product? Why will they choose the Portal over other products on the market? The presentation didn’t answer those questions. I haven’t seen anyone answer those questions. I am struggling to come up with answers to them myself. And that’s a big problem.

  • Pimax Crystal: The target audience is current Index owners who are chomping at the bit to upgrade from the aging Index. They will choose the Crystal over the Aero because the Crystal remembered to include audio and is also cheaper while providing similar video clarity.

  • Pimax 12K: The target audience is prosumers who want wide FOV and high PPD. They will choose the 12K because there is no other option on the consumer market which is even in its class.

  • Pimax Portal: ???

If you’re looking at the Portal as a handheld gaming console, why are buyers going to choose it over the Nintendo Switch, Valve Steamdeck, etc? I can’t come up with a believable answer to that question. Can anyone else? The Portal would seem to be up against intractable competition in this area.

If you’re looking at the Portal as a VR headset, why are buyers going to choose it over the Meta Quest 2 or Pico Neo 4? At a higher price, it will have roughly the same resolution (remember that it’s effectively halved in VR mode) and terrible controllers with the buttons and joysticks in awkward locations and no capacitive touch. So why will a buyer choose the Portal over one of these competitors? Again intractable competition.

If you’re looking at the Portal to drive gaming on your TV, why are buyers going to choose it over a Playstation or XBox or Nintendo?

Video streaming? Modern TV’s already do that themselves.

The Portal would be a great product if it was being released into a vacuum. But it’s not. It has to outcompete other products somehow in a meaningful way that will cause rational buyers to choose it.

If it wasn’t a transformer, the Portal could focus on just being a better low cost VR headset that, unlike the Quest 2 and Neo 4, is PCVR focused first rather than as an afterthought.

There’s a lot of people out there who have bought the Quest 2 primarily to play PCVR and don’t really buy a lot of standalone games from the Meta store. This is why Meta said they were losing money and had to raise the price of the thing. Pimax could embrace that target audience with an alternative that catered to their particular use case better. The PC link on the Quest 2 is not that great.

And that would avoid the problem of Pimax’s underdeveloped standalone store while also giving them a platform to start building it up.

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I don’t think that’s true. We’re all here to see Pinax succeed. I’ve always said the Crystal and 12k will be Pimaxes best headsets they’ve ever made. I’m really looking forward to the roadshows just like I looked forward to watching Marcin back in the 5k days.

Yes I want a Crystal, yes I want a 12k.

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