Hi Teigue - reading through your post you might really benefit from the Pimax Experience beta when we release is later this month. If you are interested you can let us know here:
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I would like to compare Pimax with Tesla inc. (Elon Musk, cars).
Both were probably too early on the market with their products. So at first only enthusiasts/early adopters buy their goods. Because they see the uniqueness and they accept dealing with minor problems.
Later (regarding Tesla already happened, regarding Pimax happening hopefully right now because of 8K-X) the product gets more and more mature (Pimax Software/Hardware) and the whole Brand matures. In that case the product speaks for itself because it plays in another class.
I really do think that is the case with 2x 4k panels, huge FOV and eye-tracking, not to mention hand tracking. Most other headsets feel like from last generation. And people will recognise that.
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Hi Kevin.
Any word on the Eye-tracking purchase options please? I massively regret choosing not to add the extra $50 on my plan A upgrade.
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Yes, I agree 100% with these points, you really nailed it.
As I said once before, sometimes an apology and promising to do better is all that is needed. Tons better than trying to win an argument against customers/backers of why they’re wrong.
The CEO’s apology in the Pimax Now event was a great step in the right direction.
Humility is what wins people over, not hubris.
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That and making sure people get their headsets. Working headsets.
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The Genbot is still alive. @PimaxUSA @SweViver Please get on the plane and bring him his headset today! I’m afraid he’ll jump out of the window. You will also be served a delicious coffee.
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I’m partially fighting for @spamenigma cause his headset has been in RMA hell.
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I also said in my post that some small percentage of people will be happy with it as their first HMD, but just curious did you try some other major HMDs? like index, quest, rift S, Odyssey OG/+, Vive Pro/Cosmos Elite. I just want to say it’s not a bleeding edge at all, yes Pimax deserves respect as they went with FOV idea & they achieved it, Pimax FOV is a good one, the screen is wider but it doesn’t look like IRL immersion wise, the headset doesn’t feel like something new for me apart of lenses & FOV, yes clarity is good but nowadays it’s really common (index, quest with PC rendered data, vive pro, reverb etc). So there are variety of good headsets that feel much better in many other aspects but FOV. So if FOV is not a deal breaker for you you can go for index with full bundle for 999$ or with G2 for 600$ (Im sceptic about the tracking though, but Odyssey+ was ok except bow & all other experiences which required back actions (throwing object etc)).
I have neurologic issue & sometimes my right eye works a bit worse than left so my impressions of HMDs can change a bit but after sleeping it restores, but my vision is perfect when Im fresh & I don’t wear glasses & see all in good quality in near & far distances. Also settings, software version periodically do affect HMDs impression but what I immediatly noticed when I bought index despite of poor contrast is better immersion feeling that with my other headsets, it was feeling like you really look into not a screen but at another virtual space it really was something new in VR market, it’s not perfect & not near as good as IRL but still I enjoyed it a lot & replayed many games & steam environments which I didn’t touch for years. Paper specs aren’t only what defines bleeding edge of technology, there are a lot of other parameters that influence your HMD impression & again Pimax is not game changer for me in this opinion. They did good job with clarity but later competitors done new HMDs with also good screens but FOV so it doesn’t feel a bleeding edge. But Im glad Pimax is here & doing FOV, so it goes right direction & as market is increasing we get more competition & other companies & hardware manufactures (like GPU ones) increase their interest in this regard.
Also to be fair after tinkering a lot I also was able to get better immersion feeling (5k+) it’s hard to compare with index, but I guess on index I still had more immersion. Also recently I bought Vive Pro & it also feels good in this regard. It’s the only 3 HMDs that feel different for me in terms of immersion, but it can be physiologically specific & other ppl probably can have other experience with other headsets, but e.g. Adam Savage first impressions about index also stated this so I bet it’s HMD dependent as well, not only eye relief & achieved optimal settings.
And my point was that for less price you can get really decent experience, hassle free with all straps audio, controllers, 6oF tracking with basestation which will be better than on Pimax in some regards but FOV. I already described above Pimax benefits like weight & modularity & I really appreciate it. But having many headsets I won’t say it’s a bleeding edge & feels especial. They are positioning it like this & in terms of lenses & FOV it’s fair statement but overall HMD impression feels like an average good HMD with bigger / wider screen & with decent clarity but with poor contrast & not vivid but decent colours.
I myself can’t decide what HMD is best, they really have their own cons & props & more suitable depending on activity & software/game you using your HMD with. I often use Quest (due to echo arena & handy controllers + wireless), Index/Vive Pro as PC hmd as I mentioned immersion, vivid colours/blacks + comfort, my controllers on PC are knuckles & basestation 2.0 I really think you don’t need anything here expect pimax sword controllers (CV1 oculus like ones but for steam vr with index straps + optionally finger tracking, would be better to have more sophisticated finger tracking that feels more like on Quest than on index as it’s awkward & too way limited) & sometimes I started to use Pimax 5k+ when I want FOV, do some tests or tinker a bit, it provides different experience but it’s not bleeding edge one, it’s a good average HMD with wide FOV. I really looking forward to test 8kX & G2 clarity + to compare colours/contrast & overall screen impressions but I anticipate that 8kX won’t bee too much different as 5k+ SN204 in contrast/brightness regard, a bit more contrast but not too much, clarity should be significantly better though but their screens lack the contrast & vibrancy but I bet they can achieve it by playing with their firmware & exposing backlight brightness settings the same as Valve did with 160% BB setting.)
Sorry for such long messages, I have issues with exposing my mind with short sentences as don’t use English too often in other conversations like this I believe there are a lot of short ways to precisely describe what I wanted to say here.
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Thank you for proposal I already seen on youtube experience feature & HMD adjustment utility plans, which sounds really great.
I also proposed default games profile system on reddit a while ago as it can solve many problems for people & share configuration + to automate some steamvr related problems like maxresolution setting.
I will take a look on signing into beta testing.
I’ve tried several in the past, but nothing current (like an Index). SDE, res, and FOV are all important to me (in that order), so as you can imagine, I’m really looking forward to my 8KX. If Pimax wasn’t making headsets, I’d probably have gotten an Index, but I see no need to get another HMD at this point.
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I also forgot to mention upcoming eye tracking module with DFR it what makes Pimax special at the current time, as it increases performance on driver level, allows e.g. software/games/social experiences integration with eye tracking (make VR integration more natural) & overall should provide much better experience if it would be done properly & we will have software on par.
If you want to try index I guess it’s not a problem at all just for reference, you can writea message probably in your local area, I guess it will be helpful even on this forum to compare yours pimax & anybody else’s index HMD just to hang out & check it together without any money spending.
I myself tried 3 different HMD this way, but I couldn’t find anything except Vive/Vive Pro, CV1 & PSVR at that time (2018).
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Hi Kevin
Why would you only post this on Reddit ?
I’m never on Reddit and would have never seen this unless you linked it here.
I’m really interested in being a beta tester for Pimax, but don’t want the hassle of looking for official Pimax info in several places, not got that much spare time on my hands 
And now I’m on Reddit too, one more place to go to for Information 
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I agree. This sort of thing should be posted here, imo this forum is the first place you should post info like this.
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I’m a Chartered Marketer and I strongly disagree. Proper marketing revolves around shifting every part of your company to deliver value to your segment of customers. Look up the work of Phillip Kotler. That is how marketing is taught properly. @Djonko is right.
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Ok, got you. I thought the customer relations part, going to exhibitions, non-technical requirements elicitation and writing related requirements specs for future products (from which the technical team including project managers draw the ones they can manage to fulfill for the next version) is the job of the product managers.
And marketing are more the guys who’s responsibility it is to come up with good strategies to sell the currently existing products well. But role definitions probably differ based on company.
Reading the headline was enough. The hp reverb has zero innovation and is brandishing the valve name to boost image.
Smart people know pimax is the only real upgrade.
No I’m not paid to say this or have any stake any more than just wanting legit field of view and refresh rate.
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We all want a headset with a larger field of view, just not at the expense of the headset being useable on a basic level.
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Way too cluttered and confusing to run the beta on the old /r/pimax or here so the official reddit is where we’ll develop it for now.
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A proper marketing plan should run through nearly the entire company. It should figure out what product you make in the first place based on a detailed assessment of the market and potential customers. It should then be responsible for the positioning of the company to deliver to those customers, your segment, via any medium a person may interface with the company, be that at a trade show, over the phone, the product box, product characteristics, software, website, advertising, sales channels, technical staff, sales staff etc.
Every department should be oriented to deliver the absolute best experience for your chosen customers. There should be a feedback loop so you can make adjustments as necessary and measure your success.
It may well be a product managers job to do some of that, but they should be operating under a more senior marketing director, and taking direction from the marketing/strategic plan for the entire business. And any CEO who is half trained should be well aware of Kotlers theory because he is the forefather of the discipline.
There’s a bit of a gap between public perception (and even the perception of some companies)of what proper marketing is vs what it actually is.
It does include sales and distribution channels like you say, but that is a small part of it at the strategic/upper managerial level.
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What advantages do Reddit offer that hosting on your own forum do not? This would likely be the ideal place – tag people, give them access to the special subforum, have it all in one place. Instead of creating yet another avenue for communication.
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