Pimax Frontier October 25th, 10am PDT

General discussion
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I’m a bit curious… Do you know (if things are at a stage where there is any knowing to be had, and the engineers keep other parts of the organisation informed), how the automatic IPD adjuster deals with face asymmetry?

For my own part, I typically have to shift any entire headset a little to the left, to get both lenses aligned simultaneously (…which is also unfortunate from a face gasket fitment-, and consequently comfort-, perspective).

If the renders from Frontier day is anything to go by, the new HMD will use an identical pair of mitre-gear-linked worm gears as previous devices, and a single servo driving them both together, so I have to assume the same sort of moving-the-HMD-over-one’s-face, mentioned above, will still be necessary for not perfectly symmetrical users. (Either allowing separate motion for each lens, or at least making the connector between the HMD proper and the gasket in such a way that they can be laterally shifted relative to one another, would help with comfort).

Will the IPD analysis software be able to tell if there is no place where it can get both eyes aligned at the same time, and if so: How will it handle such situations? -Maybe by prompting the user to:" please shift the HMD X mm to the left/right"? Perhaps also be able to tell the same for eye height, for each eye individually, and prompt moving it up/down/twist? HMD tilt as well, maybe (EDIT:…and a solution to make tilting possible)?

There is an argument to be made, that if the sweetspot of the lenses is sufficiently large, it wouldn’t matter much, and that setting one’s lens spacing to a “happy medium”, between one’s left and right pupillary distance would be well good enough; But short of some situations with lightfield displays, I am pretty sure there is always going to be noticeable benefits to being optimally aligned…

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Did the IPD adjustment ever get implemented into the Pimax Experience app? I havnt booted my 8KX in a while because of the ey strain issue

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Unfortunately the ipd wizard is still MIA since it was mentioned in or before Apr 2021. If it works as well as it was said it might. It may help to alleviate eyestrain possibly for sone folks like yourself. I would have thought with how much this would improve user xp potentially for a greater user base; it would have been prioritized. As it has been a major issue since the KS release of pimax p2 headsets.

Which is a terrible shame the company has still not completed this in the 3 years since the headsets have been released.

@PimaxVR @nordic @mozi @PimaxQuorra @hammerhead_gal

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There was a thread stating that you can call into Pimax and Kevin would walk you through setting up a proper IPD if you were having issues with eye strain. Now thats great that Pimax is giving the opportunity to speak to the COo of Pimax for a tutorial however why must you call to the headset manufacturer for a simple adjustment. Im hoping PimaxUSA(Kevin) hit the nail on the head when he said that binocular overlap has changed and Im guessing no more canted displays? Well Ill have to purchase the P12K in order to see for myself if the eye strain is gone because some users just dont have this issue and the youtuber reviewing might not be susceptible to it either…

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Indeed. And if he can guide/step you through ipd setup. They can easily post a guide or create the Wizard that was advertised being developed based on the one on one setup(which as you said should not be needed).

In theory with the 12k it should be possible to reduce/eliminate eyestrain if it works as advertised. But as you said it needs to be tested by those whom xp eyestrain. Vs misdirecting that other headsets some have issues with; which is considerably more rare and likely those same ppl would have issues perhaps to a greater extent with current p2 wfov pimax hmds.

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I’d have to wager a guess that if you are going to be able to see 200 degrees, something has to extend ever so slightly past the depth of your cornea.

(…and for this to work, and project correctly, for everybody, surely some way to adjust the depth of the HMD on your face must be vital… (then again, we said the same for the 8k/5k…))

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The spec sheet for the 12K indicated that it had eye relief adjustment

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Oh? I missed that - that’s excellent, then. :slight_smile:

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Kind of similar to if you don’t request the sword refund or index by X; your Sword Controllers will ship.

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I saw this posted today by Capcom. Pimax should do the same thing when they miss all their deadlines going forward. :slight_smile:

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Hi there - so how is the shipping of the fully functional Crystal going today?

Yes, I know, this is taken from the thread on the 12K, but it is effectively about me doubting the time-lines and the claim of having fully functional, polished features available of Pimax products in reality vs. marketing talk.

So I read the announcement pushed today and come to the conclusion that my doubts on managing to ship a
fully functional, polished Crystal in Q3 2022 have been proven correct so far. Yet if I express such doubts, I will get attacked and labelled as being negative, or even the cited statement, which was & is oh so simple to prove wrong.

And before you point out that Covid measures, or supplier issues or something comparable prevented Pimax from meeting the shipment date - this is what project management is supposed to take into consideration, unforeseen delays happen in the vast majority of projects, and the possibility of further Covid related lockdowns in China can hardly come as a complete surprise when preparing a statement in early 2022 where it was at least reasonable expectation that Chinese Authorities may continue to stick to their zero tolerance policy on Covid.

The users in the forum addressing such communication failures are not trying to ruin Pimax as you seem to believe at times, not at all! We are simply applying reasonable conclusions, even if they may be critical, and Pimax could choose to learn the lessons for itself rather than unnecessarily inflict damage upon itself time and again.

(I assume) nobody forced Pimax to announce the 12K and Crystal before they actually were ready for market launch. And even if you do, nobody forced to state Pimax to state firm shipment dates/periods. So this could have been avoided - it would have been as simple as stating “according to the current progress we envisage shipping in Q3”. Why be so bullish in the marketing talk if this approach has come back to bite Pimax umpteen times already.

This is about transparency & fair communication with your customers, not about being negative, wanting to harm Pimax. And it can be argued that Pimax indeed gained a commercial advantage by announcing an overly optimistic time schedule and possibly also quality improvement (“plug 'n play”) to those customers who then chose to buy a Vision series headset for the interim.
Generally I applaud Pimax for the trade-in program, it’s a great offer for those who already possessed a headset prior to its announcement but it is more tricky for those who based their purchase decision on the trade-in and its estimated timing.

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This I do agree with completely. Just say “We plan to launch in Q3, of course these are unprecedented times so delays may happen but this is our intended goal”.

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I would give slack on this. As while there is a small delay in released for sale and the Standalone mode being delayed; it is a small one.

@PimaxUSA tbf atm has more important things with Fiona and Ian being in his neck of the woods. He is only able to communicate what the company decides.

Imho The Crystal Release announcement is quite positive compared with past ones.

All this would mean is one needing to hold onto the trade in headset longer if needed. Sure there maybe risk of needing to use the money elsewhere.

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It‘s not a big deal if the Crystal is released 1-2 months later and within another month the features are fully functional.

But my experience with Pimax lets me suspect that it won‘t be that simple. Oh, I am pretty sure they will release the headset in no too distant future - but having it perform all of its specs in a satisfactory, integrated way: that‘s what would make this piece of hardware possibly worth the substantial price tag. But fine, let‘s earmark this again for in say 2-3 months and see what the reviews of reputable VR media outlets have to report by then.

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