Pimax EU Roadshow Events - Signup pages are now going live!

[SweViver]

Guys, before I get to the questions and start to catch up:

The links to signup pages for VR Space and MRTV Headquarter events are now added in the main post!

[SweViver]

@Atmos

Exciting. Hopefully Pimax Roadshows comes to the UK soon.

I think a UK visit wont happen this year unfortunately, unless we manage to schedule something in December, but cant promise anything yet.

@dstar

@SweViver If you travel by ferry and car, stop for a drink… ähh… i mean Coffee in Rostock.

We are travelling by car. Kinda tight schedule this time, but thanks anyway

@dogbite

Does mainly mean you will also have a Lighthouse setup?

This is still not 100% confirmed. I will confirm this tomorrow after the next meeting.

@3D_FAN

I still recommend AirCar as a demo.

Yeah its old but still a great demo!

@Heliosurge

Pinned it Globally. Will look into permissions for Announcements\Pimax Official.

Thanks. I think we should have this post in the Announcement-category, if possible?

@ndTweak

Will be there in Berlin on the 19. Nov., thanks for the easy signup process .

Suggested games/Experiences:

• Alyx, clear graphics, good AA, almost anyone knows it for reference, easy to select different levels
• Star Wars: Squadrons, easy accessible space game, good to see local dimming and lenses at work due to the contrast in space
• KayakVR, many different scenes which are easy to switch, good graphics BUT with TAA which makes it blurry. It would be interesting to see if the resolution can compensate for TAA, or if you could totally turn it off. With low res headsets like the Quest 2, it’s either totally blurry, or has a lot of shimmering with TAA disabled
• RecRoom Mirror for testing the tracking
• Also a game where local dimming is explicitly enabled, as the Quest Pro is f.e. restrictive and does it only by app support. Do you face similiar restrictions, or is local dimming enabled by default?
• A demo for eye-tracking
• An 8k (SBS) HDR video

Awesome and thanks for the suggestions! Btw, Kayak VR developer will most likely be with us on the event in Gouda and also on VR Days

Local dimming is enabled on default and so far there is no option do disable it (will most likely be added with updates). Regarding eye tracking demos, I’ll get back to you with more information the upcoming days.

8k (SBS) HDR video is a good idea. Any suggestions for specific video to be used?

@jojon

Elite Dangerous: Odyssey is aliasing-a-palooza, if one want to check how high contrast jaggies come across at 42PPD…

Noted, thanks!

@StaffanStuff

This is great. I look forward to Sebastian’s expressions and I guess we’ll get some from Nathie in the Nathierlands and hopefully Mike too. This is what matters to me. I don’t trust what Pimax say or promise.

Great! Although Im not sure about Nathie or Mike. Im pretty sure they will attend VR Days, but I havent asked them about the meetup events yet.

@john2910

Its far better to get some independent opinions and not from any youtubers…

A mix is the best of both worlds But yes I agree that many independent individual opinions are always the most interesting.

[Heliosurge]

@SweViver

@Heliosurge

Pinned it Globally. Will look into permissions for Announcements\Pimax Official.

Thanks. I think we should have this post in the Announcement-category, if possible?

Check your DM you should be able to post in Announcement\pimax official.

[SweViver]

@reptilexcq

No racing games? I would love to see Automobilista 2, ACC or other sim…because they’re demanding and requires powerful graphics card.

Test movies with BigScreen. By the way, is it going to be running on RTX 4090?

Ask them compare with 8KX…what’s the difference in comfort level, visual, ipd, ect…

There will be several racing games/sims available for sure, like Automobilista 2, ACC.

Yes we will have at least one 4090 on the demos. We will also have at least one 8KX on the roadshow for comparison purposes. On the event in Gouda, according to our host Darius, you will also be able to test Crystal vs Reverb G2 and maybe also other headsets.

@dogbite

Not sure if it was you who pinned the original notification in my question, but it doesn’t contain the info. It seemed simple enough. Will the demos include the Lighthouse tracking module? Is it ready yet?
Something simple like yes or not initially but soon would suffice.

As already mentioned, this has not been confirmed yet. I should be able to give you an answer tomorrow (Monday).

@dogbite

Indeed. A price for just he hmd and LH module would also be nice with a separate price for the the Crystal controllers should one decide they also want IO tracking would be nice.

Thats currently in progress. More details soon.

@Heliosurge

Enjoy your family time.

Thanks man!

@dogbite

Wasn’t a comment. Was a simple question as to whether the LH face-plate would be at the roadshows. Shouldn’t have to open accounts elsewhere to ask a question about an event posted in Pimax’s own forum. A question in response to a post here.

I can wait for that info knowing how busy Marcin is atm. It’s not life or death, but if any newbies come looking to buy Crystal and ask questions here please don’t tell them to go to other sites and open an account to get such a basic piece of info. It could be a negative experience.

I completely understand. This will be answered most likely tomorrow! Thanks for understanding…

@SmallBaguette

Kevin said on Discord that the LH faceplate would be at the roadshows (although I suppose he only speaks for the US roadshows) he said that almost certainly the LH faceplate won’t be available on launch but will come shortly after.

Thing is that the EU roadshow happens a few weeks before the US roadshow. It seems Kevin confirmed that the LH faceplate will be available for US roadshow, but I still dont know if we will get it shipped from the factory on time for the EU roadshow. Im crossing my fingers and I’ll inform you the upcoming days, maybe already tomorrow.

@reptilexcq

So if LH faceplate is not available at lunch, then users can only play with inside out tracking? That mean game resolution isn’t going to be high? That mean users would not know if there is a problem with testing games with high end graphics? That’s a problem. LH faceplate should be #1 priority out the door.

Wait… the game resolution has nothing to do with tracking. I can assure you that you can play all games and sims in full native resolution with the built-in tracking. Just like on any other headset that has inside-out tracking.

[SweViver]

@SmallBaguette

I don’t understand, what would the tracking method have to do with the resolution of the game? Why would non-LH tracking have an issue with testing games with high end graphics?

You are totally right there.

@SmallBaguette

That all said, I guess there will be a signifcant amount of people buying the new headsets (at least early on) that already have LH tracking but the majority of customers (in general, I don’t mean prior Pimax customers) don’t have it and don’t want it. I personally do have it, and desperately don’t want it. I am dying to get rid of it.

I completely agree. Life gets easier without the base stations. I never thought I would say that, but Im starting to realize this now.

@Heliosurge

Really disappointing to hear the Lighthouse face plate will not be ready at launch. Though Kevin did mention I guess a prototype face plate will be at the roadshow(U$ at least)

I agree, but on the other hand I think it would be much worse if built-in tracking wasn’t available from start After all, the LH tracking face plate is an accessory.

@john2910

The only way is how the quest pro did it now… thats the way… The tracking in the controllers i mean

Great technology. but then it also makes those controllers quite expensive. Which has always been one of the downsides of LH tracking controllers. People hesitated to buy a pair of controllers for 300 usd.

@dogbite

As far as what someone new to Pimax products might ask I cannot say. My question was to ask for clarification of an answer being given to an other’s question, so a Q&A was going on a some point. I knew the answer might not be gotten before someone like yourself what was posted elsewhere. Someone new might not get that. It was just a simple consideration for any new arrivals.

A Q&A upfront the roadshow is a good idea actually. We could make that happen! Maybe a stream with me, Kevin and Josh. I’ll discuss this with the team tomorrow.

[Heliosurge]

@SweViver

@Heliosurge

Really disappointing to hear the Lighthouse face plate will not be ready at launch. Though Kevin did mention I guess a prototype face plate will be at the roadshow(U$ at least)

I agree, but on the other hand I think it would be much worse if built-in tracking wasn’t available from start After all, the LH tracking face plate is an accessory

Should really jist have native hybrid tracking.

[SweViver]

@drowhunter

How about a roadshow in Toronto Canada,like you had for the 5k & 8k a few years back

I went to that one and I remember seeing a few forum members there.

I think I may have even seen @Heliosurge
in person, but I never actually spoke to anyone (since I am an introvert ) & was so focused on the 8K at the time.

Kevin is planning the US roadshow, so you may ask him about that. Unfortunately, I will not make it for the US roadshow since I will be on the EU roadshow until 10th of December or somewhere around there. I will travel to US upfront CES, but not for the earlier roadshow events.

[SweViver]

@Heliosurge

Should really jist have native hybrid tracking.

That would have been ideal for sure, but it would also make the headset more expensive (due to completely different design of the housing and materials plus all the required sensors).

[Atmos]

Will Pimax show the 12K at CES 2023?

[Heliosurge]

Understandable you need to have quality time with Family to have a proper balance.

[SweViver]

@Atmos

Will Pimax show the 12K at CES 2023?

As far as I know, that’s what Robin is aiming for, yes.

@Heliosurge

Understandable you need to have quality time with Family to have a proper balance.

Yeah, cant be away for 45-50 days in a row. Life is a bit more difficult these days hehe

[Heliosurge]

Nah only need to have the ability to pair with the headset. The rest is software as was demoed on other non modular hmds.

Hybrid tracking doesn’t require the hmd have Steamvr tracking sensors.

[Atmos]

Sweviver can you confirm the chevron on front of the Crystal is just a sticker and not LEDs like the P2 series.

[SmallBaguette]

That Q and A would be a great idea, also would help potentially identify any expectations or desires from the community that might have been missed beforehand.

[SmallBaguette]

Why? It would add a lot of weight and cost for a feature that the majority don’t want. Seems like madness to me (unless by hybrid tracking you mean something else? I assume you meant LH also built into the headset, which afaik we have never see done before).

Edit: Oh you mean like have a dongle built in for pairing knuckle controllers? So like the headset tracks itself as normal but then you can also use lighthouse controllers? Not a bad idea but not sure how reliable that would be (look at the headache people have with the G2 needing to recalibrate, but I guess if it was designed that way from the get go then it might work a lot better). Seems like a huge headache though for what is ultimately a bit of a niche setup and is something already being facilitated by the lighthouse faceplate etc.

[Heliosurge]

The reason it is a headache on things like the G2 because it is not being implemented by the hmd company and needs hack workarounds.

Where as native hybrid tracking wouldn’t have issues of using 3rdparty hacks to make it work. While the Leap HT module has not been a great add due to lack of wide game support. We do have LH tracking the hmd while the HT is tracking the hands.

Where as this wouls be the reverse. The Crystal/12k can take care of the head tracking and such while the SteamVR controllers track the Lighthouses.

Imagine if HP added the option to natively support using Steamvr controllers? Ot would be easier than a 3rdparty trying to brute force workarounds.

The Face plate if not mistaken may lack some of the side and top tracking sensors. More time could be invested in other Face plates.

@crony had the p4k working with Lighthouses by using a vive tracker on the hmd as the p4k only had 3dof.

[SmallBaguette]

Good points but we’ve never seen any company do it before and that may be for a reason. If it was as simple as just adding a dongle then an external dongle should work just as well, no? I think the issue is that the 2 tracking systems can’t communicate with eachother to keep eachother in sync, hence the drift.

Hardware wouldn’t solve that, it would need to be software on the valve side of things most likely. Otherwise it’s still just a 3rd party hack even if it’s the headset manufacturer doing it themselves.

[SmallBaguette]

I will eat an actual crystal if it’s a sticker. There’s no chance that it’s a sticker.

[Heliosurge]

@SmallBaguette

Good points but we’ve never seen any company do it before and that may be for a reason. If it was as simple as just adding a dongle then an external dongle should work just as well, no? I think the issue is that the 2 tracking systems can’t communicate with eachother to keep eachother in sync, hence the drift

That is easy to see why. Very few companies have bought into using SteamVR Tracking. Save StarVR(Dead?), Varjo, Xtal and HTC. Both Varjo and Xtal are not in the consumer space save the Aero. And HTC in general has not had a great track record implenting other Tracking solutions; though there aim has been to untether from needing to rely on Valve(hasn’t worked out well).

As for company kind of but OSVR failed overall as it was not focused enough but did have hybrid tracking options.

[reptilexcq]

“Wait… the game resolution has nothing to do with tracking. I can assure you that you can play all games and sims in full native resolution with the built-in tracking. Just like on any other headset that has inside-out tracking.”

Oh my bad. I am associating LH faceplate with PCVR only.