That would have been ideal for sure, but it would also make the headset more expensive (due to completely different design of the housing and materials plus all the required sensors).
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Will Pimax show the 12K at CES 2023?
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Understandable you need to have quality time with Family to have a proper balance.
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As far as I know, that’s what Robin is aiming for, yes.
Yeah, cant be away for 45-50 days in a row. Life is a bit more difficult these days hehe
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Nah only need to have the ability to pair with the headset. The rest is software as was demoed on other non modular hmds.
Hybrid tracking doesn’t require the hmd have Steamvr tracking sensors.
Sweviver can you confirm the chevron on front of the Crystal is just a sticker and not LEDs like the P2 series.
That Q and A would be a great idea, also would help potentially identify any expectations or desires from the community that might have been missed beforehand.
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Why? It would add a lot of weight and cost for a feature that the majority don’t want. Seems like madness to me (unless by hybrid tracking you mean something else? I assume you meant LH also built into the headset, which afaik we have never see done before).
Edit: Oh you mean like have a dongle built in for pairing knuckle controllers? So like the headset tracks itself as normal but then you can also use lighthouse controllers? Not a bad idea but not sure how reliable that would be (look at the headache people have with the G2 needing to recalibrate, but I guess if it was designed that way from the get go then it might work a lot better). Seems like a huge headache though for what is ultimately a bit of a niche setup and is something already being facilitated by the lighthouse faceplate etc.
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The reason it is a headache on things like the G2 because it is not being implemented by the hmd company and needs hack workarounds.
Where as native hybrid tracking wouldn’t have issues of using 3rdparty hacks to make it work. While the Leap HT module has not been a great add due to lack of wide game support. We do have LH tracking the hmd while the HT is tracking the hands.
Where as this wouls be the reverse. The Crystal/12k can take care of the head tracking and such while the SteamVR controllers track the Lighthouses.
Imagine if HP added the option to natively support using Steamvr controllers? Ot would be easier than a 3rdparty trying to brute force workarounds.
The Face plate if not mistaken may lack some of the side and top tracking sensors. More time could be invested in other Face plates.
@crony had the p4k working with Lighthouses by using a vive tracker on the hmd as the p4k only had 3dof.
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Good points but we’ve never seen any company do it before and that may be for a reason. If it was as simple as just adding a dongle then an external dongle should work just as well, no? I think the issue is that the 2 tracking systems can’t communicate with eachother to keep eachother in sync, hence the drift.
Hardware wouldn’t solve that, it would need to be software on the valve side of things most likely. Otherwise it’s still just a 3rd party hack even if it’s the headset manufacturer doing it themselves.
I will eat an actual crystal if it’s a sticker. There’s no chance that it’s a sticker.
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That is easy to see why. Very few companies have bought into using SteamVR Tracking. Save StarVR(Dead?), Varjo, Xtal and HTC. Both Varjo and Xtal are not in the consumer space save the Aero. And HTC in general has not had a great track record implenting other Tracking solutions; though there aim has been to untether from needing to rely on Valve(hasn’t worked out well).
As for company kind of but OSVR failed overall as it was not focused enough but did have hybrid tracking options.
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“Wait… the game resolution has nothing to do with tracking. I can assure you that you can play all games and sims in full native resolution with the built-in tracking. Just like on any other headset that has inside-out tracking.”
Oh my bad. I am associating LH faceplate with PCVR only.
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During the presentation, they mentioned that the 12K is 70% complete? And so they’re 100% ready to demo the hardware by CES 2023? That’s about two months away…is that what you’re saying Sweviver? The device is 100% complete by CES 2023?
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Hello Martin-Sweviver.
A roadshow is a great idea, but it’s always the same countries to which you have been discovering the new pimax helmets for years? = Still Germany and Holland? I have nothing against our friends/German-Dutch but a roadshow in France/Great Britain-Italy-Spain would be more judicious No? To change?
Europe of VR is not limited to these 2 countries? Otherwise in choice of games to test: -Mfs 2020 like many. -Dcs World -Iracing -Il2 Bob -Alyx thank you for everything Sweviver/Martin 
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Hello Martin-Sweviver.
A roadshow is a great idea, but it’s always the same countries to which you have been discovering the new pimax helmets for years? = Still Germany and Holland? I have nothing against our friends/German-Dutch but a roadshow in France/Great Britain-Italy-Spain would be more judicious No? To change?
No wonder your username start with lol
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Its definitely not a sticker, but on the pre-production samples Ive been testing there is no light from the chevron and no setting in the software. May be turned off for now through software, but cant confirm that… You know, I’m so devoted to functionality and features, so I haven’t even thought about the front chevron until now 
Will ask tomorrow morning!
Who knows… Its really hard to tell. So many things are happening every day. I get daily new reports on improvements/achievements and its almost hard to catch up on everything. The development of these headsets are way above my head tbh.
I would say it this way: I suspect it wont be 100% ready by CES, but on the other hand we also dont need a 100% complete unit to be able to show it at CES. And the last thing I heard was that we will have 12K at CES. So lets just cross our fingers.
Yep, I know exactly what you mean. Originally, we planned to start this EU roadshow much earlier with many more locations as we do have partners in UK, Spain, Switzerland, Poland, Sweden etc. But due to some internal changes of plans, we had to cut the EU roadshow down to the more central locations which we already booked in advance. Im 100% sure we will host roadshows in many new locations, but I also think that will be after CES and not before.
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I hope its LEDs a sticker would be more bogus than that Arduino powered Powerstation Pimsx showed off. 
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If they add Canada to the list , just keep it as far away from Linus Tech Tips this time.
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Travelling in Europe is so cheap, it’s basically like it being a state over in the US. Return flight for me from Ireland to Rotterdam was 35 euro, so I think those being very central locations makes sense.
More dates would be welcome but not inaccessible!
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