I know the testers prefer the Normal FOV mode, but I personally am most excited about using Large FOV, as really I backed the project because of FOV over SDE.
With this kind of solution, if it wasn’t interchangeable, I’d be a bit disappointed to be honest.
A lens change is not as expensive as sourcing a new panel which as of yet I don’t believe exists.
I never mentioned half of the community abandoning one HMD over another. Pimax has changed the lenses several times without modifying the housing at all, and it would be cheaper than sourcing a new panel for an as yet non existant headset, that couldn’t be driven by today’s graphics cards anyways.
All they need is an 11% bump in pixels per inch to match 5K+ which they wouldn’t even need if more of the 8K’s panel was visible at a lower magnification.
If you can put up with distortion and losing a few extra frames on your GPU, then the large fov mode is perfect.
Everyone who thinks that getting a new driver board, new bridge chip, and a new panel that is 4K and has an RGB stripe sub-pixel Matrix for less investment than getting new lenses is not using their head.
Pimax has already made several iterations on the lenses from the V2 prototype till now, and they even sent new lenses to the M1 testers as I believe.
If they are using the display manufacturer that we think they are, that manufacturer does the lenses too. So I ask you, what is easier?
Make a new contract with an entirely new supplier and order new parts, (driver board, bridge chip, and displays) in a massive batch, that will likely cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, or stick with the current supplier and make some changes to the lenses which has already been done several times for about $100,000 in ordering and retooling later on after KS?
Never did say you said that ; I did! it’s the result of the a current poll just closed tonight ( after repartitions of the undecided)
would be cheaper than sourcing a new panel for an as yet non existent headset, that couldn’t be driven by today’s graphics cards anyways
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A lens tolling cost about 50K to 100K$ a new mold 50K$ each, I really don’t see how sourcing a new LCD would cost more!? tthey have to reallocate the previous 8K number of LCD anyway
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Yes but they did not change the focal point, your suggestion is to modify the lens to get more PPI from the 4K LCD
You dont need new housing, they have already demonstrated the ability to iterate lens design.
Yes but It depend of what parameter of the lenses they adjust, don’t understand why you argue you know all this
That doesn’t translate to Pimax needing to change the housing. You can have a different focal length lens in the same basic shape.
And the distance from the LCD?
It’s not as if we’re changing lens type. They just need a fresnel with less magnification. That should not be too hard.
I would agree with you about it being difficult if they hadn’t already done several iterations of the lens.
I never said hard its not, but each new mold casting cost 50K$, so any adjustment must really be minor
your argument was that a new lcd would cost more than an lens change
100 to $200,000 is infinitely cheaper than the time and cash it will take to design the 8K X pipe dream.
When pimax 1st announced the 8KX they already noted that no current video cards would be able to drive it, we know thaf the $1200.00 2080 TI cant drive stereo 4k 90hz, and the gains would be negligible unless they Source a new panel which will be infinitely more expensive then a new lens design and retooling.
How is this relevant to an 8K+? if you look at my previous posts I’m not a fan of the 8kx. an 8K+ would simply a better 8K has it was originally intended. And in my humble opinion this is unavoidable in the next year period. So any big efforts to improve the actual 8K are losing efforts because this headset will never be much better than the 5K+. emphasis on much. Don’t forget that I include the option of disabling the upscaler and have a native 4K mode in this future 8K+ 
I think that’s more a matter of taste - between SDE or clarity and which suits your VR usage.
It’s a surprise to people just because they had assumed the 8K would inevitably be better than the 5K option due to the statistics and higher price point, and it’s only the introduction of the 5K+ that has changed that.
I think the bigger problem is the scalier. If the pixels could turn off correctly the image on the 8k would a lot more sharper.
For example I went in by hand and turned off the correct pixels and as you can see it makes a huge difference in readability when the correct pixels are turned off.
Now a smaller version and a comparison to the 5k:
If we’re talking about an 8K Plus, that would still mean a new panel. There’s also no telling if we would get the right subpixel layout.
A PPD bump is the easiest way to tackle both the sub-pixel layout of the current screen and to address the 11% difference in pixel density on the 5K Plus. It’s not cheap, it may take some time, but it would be way better and way cheaper then a plus model of the 8K, or the pipe dream that is 8K-X.
If they can’t change the lenses, 5K plus is the winner.
Then I will buy a StarVr 2 
yes on the spot I noticed that to!
I think that’s all on pimax’ shoulders for such BS marketing.
They hyped up the 8K, claimed it would have 90 HZ refresh, said it had an RGB sub-pixel Matrix, and all of their marketing material ALL OF IT says 3840 by 2160 per eye.
When asked by Tested, they reinforced all of their marketing, 90hz, RGB, 4K per eye.
They may have pulled the 5K Plus out of a unicorn’s ass at the last minute, and I congratulate them on that, but they doubled down on the marketing again and again, and did not clarify what the hmd was actually capable of, except to members of this forum, and even then, we had to pressure them for it.
I love Piax and I think they’ve done a great job, but they buttered their bread with all this misinformation.