Thanks @Axacuatl now that’s how an impartial moderator should have reacted.
Excuse me here, but I don’t see how this statement from you above is going to be all that helpful.
I suggest that if you have issues with the moderation of these forums, that you take it up offline with the moderators.
Some things are better left unsaid. Personally I just feel this is one of them.
I am not referring to remove the Like button reactions but to remove peoples ability to see whom has reacted with a particular or all reaction types.
For example on youtube you can see how many 
and 
but you do not know who has voted or what direction.
Now the Retort plugin that allowed multiple reactions was scheduled to be deprecated with no further support as it was being replaced by the reactions plugin. It also had a bug that prevented it from being setup to limit what emoji could be used. So I left it configure to allow all emoji. Retort plugin reactions has been removed due to inappropiate useage and the fact it could cause the site to break creating downtime.
Indeed and maybe why it should be considered to make them anonymous to avoid unnecessary drama due to one not liking community member or members not finding there post of value.
If the ‘Retort’ plugin was the one that allowed things like 
to be placed as a reaction, then.
Well that’s a shame. As, it certainly provided some creativity in the reactions made to posts.
Especially where people didn’t really have anything of note to say. Being regulated to the minimal set and & is honestly rather boring… Just because Youtube does someone some way doesn’t mean it has to be exactly that way for others, right?
I guess I’m ok with the anomality of the reaction.
A replacement for ‘Retort’ would be welcome.
Mnmmmm… Much as I think one user went into full kicking-in-open-doors mode (just love these situations (‘have been there often, myself) where two people, who are pretty much in perfect agreement with one another, misread each others’ words, and extract from them the opposite of intention :P), and in addition got petty about it; One thing I do agree with that user on, is that if one disagree about something, one should state why, stand for one’s opinion, and not just stealthily downvote.
-It is my main complaint about reddit: There is a voting system intended to sort out posts that are irrelevant; But more… “fervent” users instead abuse it to sweep unwanted truths under the view limit, even in cases when those are the only posts in the thread that have anything whatsoever to do with the topic.
This is also why I personally never up- or downvote anything – If I am going to take on the uncomfortable experience of judging what somebody else has to say, I want to do it “responsibly”, and “respectfully”; There is even a certain “respectfulness” in telling somebody that you think they are an idiot, to their face – infinitely better than pouring poison into their cup whilst nobody is looking.
I will agree that he was only ‘slightly’ defending Pimax’es behaviour of lying with totally incorrect FoV values, since he proposed using horizontal and vertical FoV only, which is indeed WAY better already. Actually the moderator here is the only one who seemed to be totally ok with Pimax supplying extremely inflated FoV numbers. “industry standard” he called it.
Seems a bit extreme to just cater to a single user. That said, I do like the idea and I think the reactions available now are sufficient.
For anyone interested, here is the link to the podcast tonight that will have that youtuber talk about the crystal that they received (a CES model): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g_rvrH6Wzw
Will be about 2 hours after this message. I’ll be in bed so hopefully someone can timestamp the relevant part, otherwise I’ll do so in the morning.
Isn’t the index FOV 108? According to Risa2000 it is: HMD Geometry Database | Collected geometry data from some commercially available VR headsets.
That would make it more like a 5-8% difference which I could believe people not realising. That said, that’s assuming the 103 is maxed out, so perhaps it’s more significant like a 10% difference but I suppose that would still be missed with the huge sweetspot maybe convincing folks they are seeing otherwise.
I totally agree to what @jojon said above. Actually it’s more decent to call someone an idiot in his face, than to do that anonymously. I think that’s just really gutless. But anyway, above anything I love democracy so if the majority wants a system like that @heliosurge should fix that up for us.
Sure but most people don’t like confrontation so then you have people ruining an entire forum for everyone and they think that it’s only a small handful that take issue with it. You also have people taking the reactions extremely poorly and then going off on a tangent and targeting people then.
If it was in person then these types of escalations and confrontations wouldn’t happen but because online interactions lose so much nuance and tone then things get misconstrued and people don’t make any real effort to meet eye to eye, so the whole dynamic changes. In real life, definitely say something to someone’s face. But I think there is merit here to anonymous reactions so people can be more open about community driven moderation without fear of being attacked.
Ultimately, the calling someone an idiot to their face should be reserved for PMs. I won’t be touching on this subject anymore as it has went on for the whole day essentially, and it seems to be a recurring thing on this forum more and more often lately. I really like this forum and the discussion here, from all angles and opinions, but it has become unusable. I have had multiple people message asking how do they block people on here so they can use the forum better, not sure why me but apparently others have also received similar.
People have tried to get back on topic here and that has been derailed again. So personally, I won’t be touching anything anymore unless directly related to on topic discussion. I might just move off the forum entirely though if it keeps going like this. I’m sure I won’t be dreadfully missed lol but I will miss the place myself.
Anyway, to get back on topic. It will be interesting to hear what that youtuber has to say. I asked them to specifically let us know the FOV if they can, they haven’t mentioned if they are on NDA or what. Seems like their review is coming next week, I’m guessing we might expect quite a few next week so this will finally be the beginning of the long awaited reviewer cycle. The product will need to be returned to a number of times for updated reviews as more features come out but ultimately these initial reviews will be the most impactful.
Yeah, so then do it anonymously. Like I said, gutless.
Best way to have a topic not derail is just not react to such posts at all. If you reply, like you just did, the other one feels the need to reply again etc etc etc.
Had retort worked properly I could have tailored what emoji could be available.
That being said the Reaction plugin I can add emoji for use and with that your excellent suggestion will add emoji as unlike the 
emoji is not inappropiate that may be considered truly immature and offensive.
However we also do not bloat/overload the available emoji reaction set.
I don’t think reactions necessarily mean one is implying that someone else is an ‘idiot’
It may indicate some simple disagreement and the person providing the reaction doesn’t yet have time or has formed the words to provide anything in more depth about the reaction.
Or maybe the reaction is just enough as it stands.
I don’t mind the anonymity of the reaction, as it’s simply just that, and nothing necessarily need be said further.
Of course, I don’t like think people like when their posts get downvoted. Sure, I’d rather not get a downvote too.
I guess I don’t really need to know WHO downvoted me. I’ll just trust that if they have anything constructive to offer, they’ll write out their thoughts to what I say.
That said though, I don’t think it’s necessary for people to simply just downvote someone just on the basis that they don’t like them at all. I mean, if any way to prevent some such abuse like that, I’d be for it.
Votes and reactions should be on a post by post basis IMO.
I am honestly not fussy on reddit’s ideals on there voting system. However if “one” needs to explain say the then the opposite is true as well. The idea of a reaction system is to reduce bloat of posting oneliners when a a reaction will do as quick response. The thumbs down really shouldn’t be a negative if used.
Otherwise we might as well remove the reactions plugin and ho back to the very bland 
like defaults that has no variety. Then folks would be forced to have to reply if they wanted anything other than a “like”.
As the system does not use the scoring negative system like reddit. Honestly there really shouldn’t be ppl over reacting to a as it can easily be seen if enough ppl react with other emoji has more weight. Much like how it works on Youtube where you can see how many likes and how many ppl disliked a video. To which no one knows whom reacted or what was the result.
Now we have only really had one over reaction to a reaction. Even though there has been other folks that have received a without inciting unnecessary drama.
When was the last time you checked YouTube? Down votes are not shown anymore.
It just created negativity. So they decided its better without that.
Just now and have seen that only the content creator gets the negativity sent directly to them.
Would you prefer you get anonymous reports to the author of post? Interesting idea; but don’t think it is necessary. However quite do able with some research.
If there are gonna be some major changes to a part of the forum, it is a discussion worth having, but think a dedicated topic might be better for this instead as it’s getting way off topic now for a long time, plus if user input and popular vote is gonna be a factor, a dedicated topic might be better for attention then so this one can focus on relevant Crystal discussion.
Much as the Crystal is a big thing lots of people are following, I have no doubt there are people who aren’t in this topic or who just scroll past the off topic discussion.
Agreed. Thus discussion has disrespected the Op’s Topic for far too long over nothing.Long ago a user was being quite toxic and others where informed of the mute user option in the user profile settings. To which the system sends an automated message that the community is finding there behavior inappropiate or maybe toxic. It does not notify whom has muted them. It was quite effective with said user as he chose to apologize to the community after the system notified him that an unknown number of users muted him.
Please check your dm. Still waiting for some apologies there too
As folks in this topic are aware we had a misunderstanding between @Djonko & @Omniwhatever.
Unfortunately I did not handle it as well as I could/should have. For that I sincerely apologize not only to the 2 gentlemen but also the community at large for my failings.
My failings/learning opportunities are:
I have spoken to both Gentlemen whom understand my position and have both provided very useful feedback to help me grow and evolve a standardize process.
I will make a full announcement post with link to the Community Guidelines post I made long ago… or perhaps a repost with revisions.
Moving forward. I will ask the pimax team members to defer moderation to me as they have enough other responsibilities to contend with.
I will pull parties into both a group DM and seperate DMs. If needed I will issue short temporary bans on here called “Silence” This will prevent those involved from posting publically. Typically this will be a 24hr period, but I am confident that we can resolve issues together removing the Silence before the 24hr period ends.
Keep in mind depending on the nature of the issue and time constraints it may take longer to resolve and/or may still require a period of time to remain on a “Time out”.
Basics of what I will ask of tge community. Keep me honest on the procedure above.
Form a ‘buddy system’. The buddy system will be a network of ppl you respect that can pull you into a DM when you might be going off the rails.
Know yourself: Recognize when your feeling heated & your blood is starting to boil. Takeva break away from the forum. Do something relaxing. Come back with a fresh perspective.
Is it worth it? : Nothing has to become an apocalypse. We are all highly intelligent here. We have differences of opinion. See agree to disagree. Stay on topic.
Be kind to yourself & others: Before commiting the post to publish read it over and ask uf the wording could be misinteroeted. Let the past go. It is diffucult to grow and change if your meant to feel yoyr walking on eggshells with people waiting for you to slip up. Compliment each other on positive changes accomplished.
Only together can we affect change and make our community a friendly place not only for ourselves but for those coming here for the first time.
Let’s get back what we lost and discuss all things XR with kindness, dignity & mutual respect! We can be the best community again if we work together to foster and facilitate change to achieve a Juggernaut of positive momentum!
Totally agreed helio. It seems I misinterpreted a post by @Omniwhatever what irritated him and I got in turn agitated by the language in his post which I found offensive and the lack of response to that foul language . In any case such problem should be solved by contacting you directly which I will do next time when I feel something is not right. I do apologize for the mess on the forum that this caused. Thanks
I appreciate your humility and transparency. I also don’t think you handled things nearly as poorly as you seem to think you did!
For my part, I only added to the derailment because I felt that an important point needed to be made about a specific poster’s behavior - especially from the perspective of impact on a newer community member. Should such a situation occur again, I will make my thoughts known via a polite private message instead of adding fuel to the fire!