I beg to differ. Even on a technical level the Rift S has far better clarity just based on pixel arrangement vs oled. I had both, tested both extensively and there is no situation (link with optical link cable OR Virtual desktop) that the Quest 1 had better clarity than the Rift s. Maybe there was an issue elsewhere in your setup, or potentially a fault Rift S. The Quest 1 had a much better FOV, imo than Rift S, but CERTAINLY not clarity…
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Well the answer is yes. The 
Military expressed concerns of the XB1 Kinect being a required peripheral so MS removed it as a needed item.
This is no Sci-fi hocus pocus. Firefox even offers a sandbox for Facebook. Facebook is not trusted by many whom have concerns over reported practises involving information mining & sale. Samsung received flack when it was discovered some of there TVs that can be turned on and controlled by Voice was found to be sending to there servers to improve experience.
How do you think your browser tailors ads? It monitors what you do and displays suggestions based on your habits. Your smart phone also adds location.
A few people have had Google home/Alexis and other similar home voice control systems hacked. And if memory serves again data being sent to there servers. Etc…
It comes down to if a hacktivist takes an interest or someone whom simply wants to scam.
Now myself? I only have things on the pc that do not require high levels of security. Things that I want more secure I use Linux which is Mainly Opensource save if you use closed source drivers and other closed bits. However even then things like Network is Opensource controlled.
A simple reality is most do not realize just how much exposure one can have on the Internet. There are many stories of people whom have found out that being a “keyboard warrior” is not as safe as many believe. And you don’t need to venture into the Darknet to be at risk.
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Just for the record, thanks to @spamenigma, I could add Quest 2 data to HMDGDB (https://risa2000.github.io/hmdgdb/hmd_cfgs/Quest2_Native_72Hz.html).
It has slightly different FOV (than Quest 1) and higher PPD (and therefore the recommended render target resolution).
It still identifies itself as “Quest”, with the same “HmdId” as OG Quest, so there are still some quirks to iron out in the firmware.
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I’ve been reading your posts with great interest. My Quest2 has finally been confirmed to ship as well. I expect to have it in hand by the weekend. I will attempt to compare it to the 8KX when it arrives.
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Nothing personal just a general response.
People think often think of big data merely as a means to selling personalized ads but it can be used in many oher ways.
Let’s assume some data giant would get into the business of assessing job applications for companies.
This would enable them to score people on
- personal opinions about their previous jobs
- opinons of co workers/aqaintances have/had about them
- current mental/physical health
- events that negatively impact performance: death of a loved one, divorce/breakup, becoming pregnant, …
- political views
- character profile
- partying/drinking excessively/staying up late/spending too much time on VR
- …
No data would leave the company, all of it is processed via a program which filters job applications.
Concrete example, which may or may not have used big data:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-amazon-com-jobs-automation-insight-idUSKCN1MK08G
That being said I personally don’t think that privacy will survive, it’s not compatible with the modern way of life.
Even people who are more careful with their data have at least some of it leaked by people they are in contact with who don’t. Probably identity can be inferred in many other ways, e.g. proximity of devices that aren’t anonymous.
/rant mode off 
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Try watching “the social deilema” on netflix.
My next door neighbor would never have got a VR HMD with out the cheap price of the quest 2, The quest2 will bring more people into VR than the Pimax OR the index, Its cheap, and is aimed at people with out a high end PC. do not try compering the quest 2 to a high end VR system, BUT having said that, its holds its own against most of them.
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You folks are mad to trust Facebook. There is no one company that has cuased greater damage to western democracy than Facebook. The fact they are in a legal battle with the EU supreme court over user data protection is the writing on the wall. They are even threatening to withdraw services from EU terriotries -good riddance.
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For most FB services there exist better alternatives already anyways. People are just too lazy to switch atm. Think holding their breath until things happen isn’t a recommended strategy for FB…
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I use to wonder why I never got called for an interview with a company that I filled out an extensive questionnaire for, I assume it was run through a computer to analyze. I was honest on the responses and was always considered a great employee and person. Then found out later that they actually hired someone that had admitted to me about lying his @$$ off on the questionnaire. Guess they wanted a bunch of dishonest people working for them! As for the quest and facebook I believe everyone should be concerned about privacy with them. That’s one thing I’ve learned in America. There is alot of crooked dishonest evil things. Conspiracy theories may or may not be completely true to some extent but not completely false either. I hate the fact FB owns oculus but still own their devices because I enjoy the tech. We need an alternative!
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Quest2 has arrived and I’ve created a first impressions of it.
https://community.openmr.ai/t/my-8kx-review-problem-solution/31886/56?u=jien1963d
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It would be mad to trust facebook, I agree. But people are quite willing to get smart phones, smart speakers, smart speakers with cameras. I think VR headsets are faaaaaar less useful for data collection than any of these other devices, and those are always on.
So while I certainly don’t trust facebook with my info, I just think it’s funny to use your money as a ‘vote against’ personal data mining by avoiding Q2 - if that’s your moral stance, start using a flip phone.
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Sorry to double post but some great news (can’t wait to try tonight) from Tyriel Wood: We can up the encode resolution to 3664 in oculus debug tool for a huge upgrade in visual clarity with link. This will be part of the November update that also adds 90hz.
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Facebook like most social & news platforms usually choose sides. Companies are often the same.
Facebook more or less won the social platform wars. I remember MySpace and Bebo and yuwie majority have faded. Plus it is difficult to get people to try and learn new things.
I use FB mainly to keep in touch with friends and so that old friends that have lost touch with can find me.
A lot of people are not fussy on Disney either due to there practises of acquiring rights to franchises and changing details to use other author’s works.
Essentially as long as games are tied to platform for use there are risks of consumer data being used in some ways that folks may not appreciate.
The smart devices comment is a perfect example. Canonical dis have an idea that fizzled with Ubuntu touch; there are also other Opensource safer options as well. But no traction.
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This is not a political post, but discusses the development of Facebook and Quest 2 - they are ultimately connected and cannot be separated:
I originally joined Facebook as it was a platform of free speech in which I could also use any name I wanted, it didn’t need to be my real one.
Coming from a country (Germany*) that does not enjoy free speech, because of a Socialist heritage, it was one of the main reasons. Seeing that Facebook went down the political left route had me almost stop using that medium altogether, except to connect with a few old friends over banal conversation. But just conversation, no communication anymore. This is why the Quest 2 is not an alternative of playing VR for me:
I mention these points because this is what the Facebook-route leads to:
*Each forum post is reviewed in Germany before it gets published.
*Forum owners are responsible for what their users post by law.
And these issues are cultural:
*Having the wrong political opinion can get you fired.
*You cannot discuss politics or even opinions on sensitive topics in public even if not at work. The opinion matters.
*You’re forced to constantly filter your own words in daily life.
*You have family, this gets even more important.
*If you’re aside the mainstream, you’re a Nzi. *Media turned Internet parties like the “Pirates” or reformer parties like the “AfD” into being perceived as Nzis.
*I have been in Merkel’s party for 16 years now - did you jump in reflex from the previous point mentioned?
*I know people are hunting hooks on others. FB will be able to gather a lot of hooks on a person like that and individuals can have former users conform to what they want IRL
I want to keep politics out of gaming and leisure time.
So, the Quest 2 is not an option nor alternative for me. I know where this leads to.
Again, this is not a political post, not spreading political opinion, but facts on how Quest 2/FB connect with your RL. The barrier between innocent VR eff-duckery and real life potentially affecting your family is broken.
Hence, even if it wasn’t a flimsy feeling device - I couldn’t get around to order it.
Ironically, they’re not selling the Quest 2 in Germany, because politics aim to protect the individual (pulls more towards individual freedom and deny data gathering) and contradicts the old cohesive culture of many.
These are my 2c, you don’t necessarily have to agree. Each to his own.
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If I decide to sell My 5k+ and get the quest 2, I will open a facebook account and just not use it, and as I use a VPN, facebook will not even know what country i am in.
All media you use on the internet track your usage, your phone tracks you, practically every thing you do on line is tracked, unless you use programs to hide your identity.
I use add blockers on youtube and never get adds, so there is no way they can target me with adds as they do not know what I am looking at.
Yes you should be weary of your on line presents, but no need to get paranoid about it.
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Sorry as a co-German, I can’t let this stand uncommented.
There are a few select stances (like holocaust denial) that are forbidden by German law. And some forms of insults or deliberately unfounded defamation of individuals. Otherwise there are few countries that allow such a wide range of opinions - law wise.
The other topics you mention are judgement between groups of citizens. While it is your right to say your opinion it is the other’s right to base their opinion about you on what you say and assertively disagree. But the state won’t lock you up for it, which is a big difference.
Stating Germany has no free speech because of socialist heritage sounds like the GDR (DDR) ruling were in place now for the reunited Germany - which is plain wrong and the opposite of what happened.
P.S.: AfD might have started as a EU-sceptical right-liberal party, but by now they have moved to the rightmost still legal boundaries of the populistic spectrum. So mentioning them in the same sentence as the Pirates party (which is an almost-one-topic party about copyright and information freedom) is very far fetched…
P.P.S.:
No! BGH has ruled that a forum owner only can be made responsible when they don’t react to notifications of illegal content within reasonable time, no up-front checks are needed. (Google “Forenhaftung”)
The vast majority of German forums don’t review postings. Some big media outlets like e.g. Spiegel Online do review postings up front, but this is not by law but them making use of their sanity of home right - you can say what you want, but a company owned webpage isn’t required to publish your opinion on their webpage.
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You totally missed that I didn’t say by law and then built your entire post based on this.
I said by cohesive culture.
I also mentioned “ironically, the state […] contradicts the cohesive culture of many.”
The lack of “let’s agree to disagree” is that cultural problem. From what I witnessed, most of the time publicly you cannot be on the right of the political spectrum, while being a socialist is tolerated, except for a few fringe cases of villages in MVP or Saxonia.
It’s ironical as well that I said I wanted to keep politics out of the gaming and hence the Quest 2 wouldn’t be my cup of cake. And now get dragged into an almost political chat by defending an example I have used.
Let’s agree to disagree.
You think I am wrong, I think you are wrong. It doesn’t really matter, I won’t get a Quest 2 anyway. I don’t like being policed like FB does.
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I think we come to the same conclusion in this aspect
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If someone managed to hack the quest2 so it’s disconnected from everything FB I will consider it, but not before.
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