Index Controller Use With Pimax Discussion

Horst789 · May 20, 2019, 8:17pm

today i got my knuckles controller (index controller), i paired in pitool (1.0.1.129_212_beta) and worked. But in steamvr the controller are unvisible and the icon is only a “C” and only detected as “aapvr_controller” not found as knuckles controller. in the moondust knuckles demo the controller unvisible… can anybody help? (tickets on valve and pimax are open ( * SUPEN-4972))

EDIT:
ok now i have a solution/workaround !
the knuckles driver on steam i cant find in steam applikation (only on homepage: Steam Community :: SteamVR Knuckles Driver) but if i use the steamdb homepage: https://steamdb.info/app/633750/

i can install them:

NOW KNUCKLES (Index Controller) working !!!

it is still no knuckles icon there, only the c icon in steamvr. but main thing in the game it goes jet !!!

EDIT2:
with newest steamvr version the workaround dont work anymore… the drivers now official in the steamvr package and no longer in this knuckles driver package…

@Pimax-Support please fix this issue

EDIT3:
with newest pitool beta (PiToolSetup_1.0.1.144_beta20190701.exe) now the knuckles work with pimax… thanks
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DrWilken · May 20, 2019, 8:36pm

@Doman.Chen might be able to help You.

I’m pretty sure it was supposed to be fixed (as it was reported broken in an earlier release), but that was for the DV3 I think.

nukular · May 20, 2019, 8:50pm

How did you get already the knuckles?

Heliosurge · May 20, 2019, 8:55pm

Have tried Vive mode? Might help not sure.

@mixedrealityTV @SweViver might know something as well.

Heliosurge · May 20, 2019, 8:56pm

Might be a dev hard to say though. We did have one here before with Ev2 model.

Skidrow · May 20, 2019, 9:23pm

Should work Sebastian and others use knuckels with pimax. Have you installed knuckels drivers on steam?

DrWilken · May 21, 2019, 4:10am

These two issues might be related:
https://community.openmr.ai/t/vive-trackers-not-working-with-pimax-after-new-steamvr-update/19945

Maybe Valve did something that breaks the controller/tracker passthrough?

DrWilken · May 21, 2019, 5:19am

Seems it happened in the last SteamVR beta update:

Seems it’s something either Pimax (PiTool) or Valve (SteamVR) need to fix.

In thinking Pimax needs to update their "passthrough"in PiTool.

Dreamwriter · May 21, 2019, 5:55am

I believe AAPVR is what Pimax is called internally in SteamVR. So it thinks the Index Controllers are Pimax controllers. Unfortunately, if you turn on Vive Mode, I would bet that Pimax will rename the controllers so Steam VR thinks they are Vive wands. Probably going to have to be fixed by Pimax, to detect the controllers and pass their correct name to SteamVR.

anon74848233 · May 22, 2019, 7:08am

Backers can come to official website before ask help in forum. We have FAQ in our official website and we are keep updating FAQs.

Pimax 8K series are compatible with all your PC accessories e.g. xBox gamepad and all your steam accessories at home.

Horst789 · May 22, 2019, 1:02pm

vive mode dont fix this problem

Horst789 · May 22, 2019, 1:03pm

Horst789 · May 22, 2019, 3:05pm

Wed May 22 2019 14:20:02.993 - vrcompositor.exe 1.4.17 startup with PID=6164, config=C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\config, runtime=C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\SteamVR
Wed May 22 2019 14:20:02.993 - vrclient type=VRApplication_Background
Wed May 22 2019 14:20:02.997 - [Settings] Load Default Json Settings from C:\Program Files\Pimax\SteamVRSupport\drivers\aapvr\resources\settings\default.vrsettings
Wed May 22 2019 14:20:02.997 - [Settings] Load Default Json Settings from H:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\MixedRealityVRDriver\resources\settings\default.vrsettings
Wed May 22 2019 14:20:02.998 - [Settings] Load Default Json Settings from C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\SteamVR\drivers\htc\resources\settings\default.vrsettings
Wed May 22 2019 14:20:02.998 - [Settings] Load Default Json Settings from C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\SteamVR\drivers\lighthouse\resources\settings\default.vrsettings
Wed May 22 2019 14:20:02.998 - [Settings] Load Default Json Settings from C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\SteamVR\drivers\null\resources\settings\default.vrsettings
Wed May 22 2019 14:20:02.998 - [Settings] Load Default Json Settings from C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\SteamVR\resources\settings\default.vrsettings
Wed May 22 2019 14:20:02.999 - [Settings] Load Json Settings from C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\config\steamvr.vrsettings
Wed May 22 2019 14:20:03.016 - Received success response from vrserver connect
Wed May 22 2019 14:20:03.017 - App key after connect message:openvr.component.vrcompositor
Wed May 22 2019 14:20:03.027 - Initializing the limited version of CVRCompositorClient
Wed May 22 2019 14:20:03.822 - Controller (/user/hand/left/input/system) not available for input to chord, ignoring chord
Wed May 22 2019 14:20:03.822 - Controller (/user/hand/right/input/system) not available for input to chord, ignoring chord
Wed May 22 2019 14:20:03.826 - Collision Bounds distances: flMinAxis=2.011642, Hmd=0.000000->0.000000, Controllers=0.000000->0.000000
Wed May 22 2019 14:20:03.842 - Could not find named path knuckles when loading {knuckles}valve_controller_knu_1_0_left
Wed May 22 2019 14:20:03.842 - Could not find named path knuckles when loading {knuckles}valve_controller_knu_1_0_right
Wed May 22 2019 14:20:03.843 - RendermodelManager: Reading data from C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\SteamVR\resources\rendermodels\lh_basestation_vive\lh_basestation_vive.json
Wed May 22 2019 14:20:03.843 - RendermodelManager: Reading data from C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\workshop\content\250820\692340263\holodeck-dooropen\holodeck-dooropen.json
Wed May 22 2019 14:20:03.843 - Could not find named path knuckles when loading {knuckles}valve_controller_knu_1_0_left
Wed May 22 2019 14:20:03.843 - Could not find named path knuckles when loading {knuckles}valve_controller_knu_1_0_right
Wed May 22 2019 14:20:03.843 - Could not find named path knuckles when loading {knuckles}valve_controller_knu_1_0_left
Wed May 22 2019 14:20:03.843 - Could not find named path knuckles when loading {knuckles}valve_controller_knu_1_0_right
Wed May 22 2019 14:20:03.856 - Could not find named path knuckles when loading {knuckles}valve_controller_knu_1_0_left
Wed May 22 2019 14:20:03.856 - Could not find named path knuckles when loading {knuckles}valve_controller_knu_1_0_right
Wed May 22 2019 14:20:03.856 - Could not find named path knuckles when loading {knuckles}valve_controller_knu_1_0_left
Wed May 22 2019 14:20:03.856 - Could not find named path knuckles when loading {knuckles}valve_controller_knu_1_0_right
Wed May 22 2019 14:20:03.864 - Could not find named path knuckles when loading {knuckles}valve_controller_knu_1_0_left
Wed May 22 2019 14:20:03.864 - Could not find named path knuckles when loading {knuckles}valve_controller_knu_1_0_right

Wed May 22 2019 14:26:59.799 - Invalid input type position for controller (/user/hand/left/input/joystick)
Wed May 22 2019 14:26:59.799 - Invalid input type position for controller (/user/hand/right/input/joystick)
Wed May 22 2019 14:26:59.801 - Invalid input type click for controller (/user/head/proximity)

Horst789 · May 22, 2019, 7:38pm

i found a “C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\config\steamvr.vrsettings”:
“driver_knuckles” : {
“enable” : false

i try to make:
“driver_knuckles” : {
“enable” : true

but dont work -.-

michaelnyden · May 22, 2019, 7:55pm

Has pimax support already seen this? ie. has a ticket been made? I’m not sure why all controller aren’t complete passthrough or are managed by pitools at all in most cases…the pitool is really only to control the HMD and should only be that way, everything else should be handled by steamvr so pimax wouldn’t have to deal with these extra headaches as they have enough to worry about. I’ll make sure to not upgrade to the steamvr beta when I get my knuckles then!

Horst789 · May 22, 2019, 8:13pm

yes, see my first post, i write: tickets on valve and pimax are open

in the past we see pitool is also managing the controllers…

Fitzy · May 22, 2019, 8:23pm

I think it’s because they need control of them to run Oculus or other games without steam VR i’ve come to learn.

I agree it’s problamatic. I’d much prefer there was an option in Pitool to defer controller management to steam for situations like this, and just do a straight pass through. The knuckles really aught to work in the Steam VR platform!

Hope they get it sorted for when my knuckles arrive too.

michaelnyden · May 22, 2019, 9:20pm

If you could roll back steam vr versions that would be nice! They should at least allow you to roll back one version. Maybe pimax should make it so if it’s oculus it handles the controllers and if not passthrough or they just give the option of scrapping it and we use revive for oculus games and only make things passthrough haha

Heliosurge · May 22, 2019, 9:51pm

Have you tried pairing controller through steam?

Horst789 · May 22, 2019, 10:07pm

yes, this dont work… always: searching for headset/controller… i think i read that the controller pairing is only for valve headsets.