Thank you for the reply. I look forward to the time things improve for us all.
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Iām sure many people are looking forward to their 8kx arriving and it shouldnāt be that far away now. Do you know if pimax plan to send a 8kx to VoodooDE Martin?
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I agree that his preview (from what I heard and the part which was linked somewhere, donāt have the patience to watch 2+ hours of video) seems to have focused on this distortion thing too much, especially if he knows from last yearās experience that this is an issue not many will share. Itās fine to mention it, no doubt, but at the end my impression is that he gave a sort of a preliminary verdict of Index is better than 8KX mainly based on the wobbly distortion thing while knowing that for the majority of his viewers that issue is non-existent.
This is where I would expect a reviewer to separate better between his personal view and the advice he is giving his community who he knows will laregly not suffer from this issue. But perhaps that is the difference between a journalist and a youtuber and a reason why I often find it difficult to fully appreciate the advice of youtubers - they usually have not been trained to understand that certain distinctions & considerations are important, and of course perhaps I am wrong in the sense that what makes a good journalist is not going to make a youtuber successful, because binding the audience to click your videos works differently and not based on objective good journalistic qualities but rather binding them emotionally while the actual quality of the review may be less important.
I am clearly old school in that regardā¦
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But did you see distortion on your other pimax headsets? It seems only a minority suffered severe enough from distortion to impact their experience negatively. I do think however that people who are now used to the index will see it more. Also those people will indeed probably miss the 120 hz (especially in Alyx itās wonderful). But again, if you didnāt experience (much) distortion on the 5k+/8k and liked your headset, youāll even like the 8k-X more, Iām 100% sure of that.
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Hi I did see the distortion on my previous Pimax headsets but not to the point it ruined my experience. I could never use a pimax for longer than an hour without feeling nauseous. I know many do not have this issue and I did experiment with different face cushions with various success. I have never felt this with my index even after 3-4 hours. (120) I hoped the mas plus comfort kit as well as better panel utilisation would cure this. Unfortunately Sebastian experienced problems while trying half life on the 8KX. I do feel if you upgrade from a 5k/8k this will not be an issue. Once youāve got used to the zero distortion 120 hz index Iām not so sure. I know I will like the zero screen door and improved clarity of the X. The Pimax is still a prototype and not finished also.
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My enthusiasm for the 8K X has also dampened after the release of Alyx, but not primarily because of Sebastianās impressions. Instead, itās been from my own impressions comparing the HP reverb to the Valve Index in Alyx. When I first tried the Index and compared it to the Reverb, I settled on the Reverb as being my preference due to the extreme clarity its high resolution gives. However, now that Iāve been testing both the Index and Reverb at length, I have begun to see the Indexās advantages of zero distortions and higher refresh rate more and more. When you first put on the Reverb, it LOOKS way better than the Index, but after playing a while, the Index FEELS more real. Even though it has less clarity, the refresh rate, FOV and distortion free picture subtly add to the immersion, to the point where I feel like I did when I first used VR when coming out, Iām disoriented and have dreams about being in VR again. Now, Iāll certainly try the 8K X when it comes out, but Iām afraid itās distortions and refresh rate are going to offset the resolution advantage. It will still have the FOV advantage so weāll see, but Iām certainly not as excited as I once was.
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I think the 8KX correctly configured and running apples vs apples (same resolution - hard to guarantee in HL-A -, same assets - hard to guarantee in HL-A, same refresh rate, same FOV) is going to blow the other headsets out the water. At least for my use case.
Iāve never had anything but very mild problems with distortion on the 5K+ which I very quickly get used to. I can introduce it by shifting my face position around.
Canāt wait to get mine!
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Haha funny you mention that, same thing happened to me with Alyx. Also, just like RoadToVR said today, I got so immersed in HL:A that I started moving my legs to kick things, only to be reminded that that doesnāt work in VR (at least not without foot tracking) 
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Great Iām sure youāll love it as many many will. :0)
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Heh, yeah me too, I keep trying to kick drawers closed
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I do like high hz though. I wish we could have it all, high hz, high resolution, sharpening filter! Alas for current graphics card power and display port cable bandwidth.
Will be a hard choice sometimes to choose between upscaling mode and native.
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Lol I do that!!! Crazy!!!
I really miss a full body avatar in HL-A compared to VRIK in Skyrim.
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Probably pre-provided per-game settings could help here (pre-provided for common games, with the capability to create own settings. Think the latter is already in new PiTool versions, just not sure whether it covers all settings, including refresh rate, native/interpolated etc.).
For Eleven Table Tennis or Holoball 120 Hz >>> details, for Elite&Co itās probably the opposite.
And perhaps they can come up with a smaller FoV, native ppd, high(er) frequency mode for 8k-X. That could also be an interesting middle ground for many games. Fingers crossed!
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Well as Reverb has the smallest FOV on the market, its maybe not that strange the immersion just isnt there?
I dont know, I guess nobody really cares about my impressions anymore, but I just couldnt resist comparing Index next to 8KX yesterday night (Desktop vs laptop). And maybe Im missing something. Maybe Im blind, maybe Im biased or just not educated enough. But I simply cant find the advantage of Index, except maybe the higher refreshrate when running HLA. Wearing the Index, my head just keeps thinking āSDE is back, FOV is limiting my viewā. Maybe we are all just differentā¦
Im just too used to the 8KX now. Cant find even one reason to switch to another HMD unless its wide fov and same or better resolution. All I miss now is proper over-ear sound with good base (bassā¦??)
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Iām sure more people will feel exactly the same when the 8kx is released. I donāt see much Sde on the index while playing. The 8kx must be very impressive. Your opinion is still appreciated Martin.
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Any progress with the deluxe audio solution Martin?
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For me at least (with a small IPD), the Reverb is far from the smallest FOV on the market, itās only smaller than the Index and Pimax sets, but actually bigger than Rift S, Quest and O+ horizontally. Vertically, it is smaller than Quest and O+ a little but not much. Either way, I donāt think itās just the FOV thatās breaking the immersion, thatās part of it, but itās also the slight barrel distortion that it has, and I do think that the 120hz and low persistence panels that Index has really are the biggest things making me feel like Iām there. Itās not an instant thing. Like you, when I switch back to the Index my immediate thought is seeing the SDE and blocky resolution. However, when playing for a more extended period of time and utilizing roomscale movements, the refresh rateās advantages start to unfold. How long did you try the Index again and did you try it with roomscale movements as well? Iām still looking forward to trying my 8K X whenever it finally comes, but Iām not as hopeful it will be the absolute best.
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On the contrary. Your opinion as well as those of Sebastion , VoodooDE and others and all the people you guys garnered feedback from is why many of us are here. This is why I found your reaction to Sebs video so silly. Nobody expects you all to see it the exact same way. Anyone making a purchase decision based on one point of view isnāt doing their homework.
Hell, we donāt have the same experience with our Pimaxs here in the forum, even when on the same version of the headset and software.
Not everyone need to agree with an opinion for it to be valid for someone. Pimax has made a tech that is wider than said could be done and the wider people try to run these canted panels the more (some) will find issue.
Thatās why I encourage YMMV be a consideration in offering impressions. There are no absolutes except death and taxes.
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Iām very interested in seeing what the Reverb G2 will offer the tiny bit of available info looks promising. The Index really look blocky compared to the reverb? Shame it had had such poor launch I think they would have sold many more.
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