Well this imho is a yes and no. Other than a few things like using new Micro Oleds & lenses. The Hardware is still pretty “average” what is ahead is the focused software making it work. So much so that Zuck has had to prove the Quest 3 is capable of many of the features in AVP is not really new.
Both Meta and Microsoft have failed in earlier days to gain adoption of higher features due to lack of proper focus in demonstrating some of the concepts that AVP is getting praised for.
In theory Varjo should be leading the crowd in much of things. But due to endless early adopter beta mindset there losing ground. Businesses want stability and is more known for “polished” release of software and updates.
Even pimax if they took time to have polished stable releases that didn’t break things or introduce bugs that would be caught with using branch releases would do much better.
Unfortunately many companies have adopted public testing with apologies for releasing seemingly untested product code.
Yeah, because I don’t make money from it. I guess YTers do and productivity users do so the 4k kinda pays for itself. But when you’re just using it to watch movies 4k gets you a decent TV or Projector. For gaming its kinda sucks without controllers and I’m scratching my head trying to think of what else I would do with it.
I would struggle to get 4ks use out of it before its successor came along. I would rather have the BSB save 3k and put that towards the next big upgrade or surprise HMD that came from nowhere.
I dont like the fact Apple put the compute in the headset I think that was a bad idea. If they were going to have a seperate battery the compute could of been attached to that and the HMD would of been half the price. Either the HMD or the Compute could of been upgraded seperately. I’m hoping Steam Deck 2 supports the BSB as that would be a huge selling point.
As a peice of standalone technology though I totally agree with you @Djonko and everyone else thats tried it, the AVP is fantastic. The lenses, passthrough, eye detection, interaction, build quality all top notch.
Honestly I don’t even care if it’s the hardware, the lenses and/or the software stack. What I do care about is that the AVP has the best VR/AR quality that you can currently get, and even by quite a leap. The image just is super crisp, the passthrough is better than anything else out there, the colors are OLED awesome, the sound is the best out there and the 3d image is just super stable and convincing and there’s not any latency at all to notice… No other manufacturer has even come close and comparing it to the Q3 quality is even laughable in my opinion. It beats the Q3 big time and Zuck should tone it down until he has something comparable. The AVP really makes the Q3 feel like a toy. The only slight downside is that it’s not as lightweight as the BSB, but with a simple strap it’s really comfy at least for me, actually even better than the Q3.
Now what @Atmos says, the use cases, that’s of course a different aspect and I will definitely agree there that I hate that Apple closed it down so much, it would have been even way more fun to use if we could have native steamVR
I mean really WTF !!! Did they even put on both headsets themselves?? Really not sure what went wrong here but this article is really just plain nonsense. It again make me really suspicious that something else is going on here. I mean ANYONE who will put on the AVP and Q3 themselves will immediately see that there’s no comparison and the AVP look way cleaner, crisper, better than the Q3. There’s no way I’m going to watch a movie on my Q3 on netflix, it just looks crap. On my AVP it looks as good as my high end TV. Same as sharing a desktop, no way I’m going to work on my Q3, but on my AVP I could easily work.
Anyway I see in the comments on Karl’s website somebody who says the same and gets called ‘a fanboy’. I actually start to feel like one myself LOL defending Apple. While I don’t even like the company, in fact, I hate most tech companies and Apple is even one of the worst in my book. But I just hate to see all those ‘experts’ making ridiculous claims about how the Q3 is pretty much as good as the AVP LOL. I probably should just let it go and enjoy my AVP instead, just like @twack3r LOL
I’m actually typing this message in virtual desktop on my Quest 3. I just did some A/B again with this and the desktop in my AVP and I really think it’s mostly just the resolution and colors that make the AVP look way better when it comes to desktops and it’s not about ‘rendering’ as that article claims. I just clearly see pixels in the Q3 which I find really distracting, especially when it comes to desktop work. And the colors are way too dull for my taste. That being said, there IS one aspect here that’s better on the Q3 and that’s the motion blur. Reports claim that Apple introduced some blurring effect to hide the imperfections, I’m not sure if that’s true. But either way what IS true is that there’s pretty much no motion blur on the Q3 and it’s very noticable on my AVP when I move my head. But again, I wouldnt work in my Q3 unless I really needed to. And with my AVP it sometimes really tricks me into thinking that i’m actually looking at a real physical monitor. So what I mean is, people can make all kinds of statements about technical aspects but if in the end the AVP just looks way better, then isn’t that what it’s all about?
Zuck should first upgrade the resolution so that you won’t be staring at pixels anymore, then the colors so that it won’t look dull anymore and THEN come back with making some comparisons, which then might or might not make any sense. But right now it’s just miles behind and I find all those reports and statements just laughable when I’m actually staring at pixels on the Q3.
The answer is super simple imo: the topic and headline generate clicks.
I have never before discussed an HMD with so many people that have a very strong opinion about it without ever having used it as the AVP.
And that’s down to Apple and their brand appeal. People WANT to read and believe that their Pico 4/Quest3 is comparable to the AVP. Doesn’t matter that they aren’t.
Regardless of technical specification, what looks better in headset? That’s all that ultimately matters, because human eye and still camera aren’t equal by any means.
Not had the opportunity to try AVP yet, so I’ll assume Apple did some clever tricks to improve that all important human perception
Hahaha exactly this. But then again, I would probably be like that too I have always hated Apple. Mostly for selling stuff way too expensive and then having so much success with it, feels so unfair LOL. But damn the AVP is just REALLY good. Anyway getting a bit tired of defending the headset. If people want to hate it, without even having had one in their own hands, that’s fine. I mean I surely can relate to the Apple hatred. But nowadays I probably hate Google and Meta even more
I’m not singling Apple out every headset has its flaws. I wouldn’t buy any of them. I’m hanging on to the Pico4 until a worthy successor comes along. BSB has too much glare, Crystals too big, VR-1 too much for too little, Quest3 is just Meta, Just non of them get me excited or do what I want them to do for a price I want to pay taking into account the depreciation a voilatloty of the VR market.
I want a headset with no onboard compute. The size of the Pico4 with wider FOV at a price under 1k. Looking at Future HMDs it’s either Index2, BSB2, Pico4 v2 or even Quest Pro2 if it ticks all the boxes.
Karl’s pics were taken apart on Reddit. Standard problem with a lot ppl with TTL pics. His methods of capture is quite poor.
Similar FoV as an Index approx 110 wide and 90 vertical. Though strange won’t just disclose an est min to max value. As there is a max. Though maybe just wanting to ride a wave of folks who will believe it is higher than possible.
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