Any updates on the 12K

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Was also wondering for some time now what happened to the Fixed Retina Display with 70 PPD announced with the 12K video in late 2021 ?

@PimaxQuorra Please get also in touch about that with the project team and / or tech team, especially if the Fixed Retina Displays are still planned to be implemented in the 12K Qled or / and how the current status is (e.g. all plans scrubbed, still in development etc.) ? I think many others like me are also wondering about the Fixed Retina Displays, so any available update on them would be very appreciated, thanks!

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Always took that to be more of an aspirational thing… A something-we’re-half-investigating-for-a-future-pro-or-something-model. :person_shrugging: :7

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You can see from the Lighthouse no wireless sleeve debacle that they don‘t really understand all the details of the implementation of the products when announcing them. So while regular companies have done a proper due diligence and a good deal of development before announcing them, Pimax appear to first announce what they intend to seriously look into after the announcement.

I don‘t appreciate this approach too much, it was a learning curve for me. Now I know.

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And I learned this from you Axa so no stepping into the promise trap :mouse_trap:

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You know it already for years and You are still disappointed, why on earth?
You need years of patience, you already know. So why worrying?

Of course it would be better to hear something “when it´s ready, than it´s ready!” as John Carmac told long time ago.
But it´s a different culture, we should anticipate. 中国文化比西方文化不一样, 哈哈!
What Pimax makes so special and outstanding, is the vision they have! They are still following that vision, going realistic steps, for example with the Crystal.
I can wait for another year or two, then will see a true 12KX- If the software has no vendor lock-in, for sure order I will order it. A virtual office desktop may be then realistic.

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The most important Question is, have all promises been kept?

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Obviously not, but if offered result is sufficient I will take it.

Now, what does “sufficient” mean in this case? :roll_eyes:
FoV same or better, resolution better, usability for glasses wearing people much better, wireless option, no vendor lock-in, a potential outlook for a linux solution, to be M$ Windows - independent.

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Good for you that you are content with what you get from Pimax, no matter what they communicated.

Why I am surprised? Because I see their potential, but they made a number of rather amateur mistakes during the Vision series development & launch which I witnessed (and more before on the 4K) and acknowledged such at a later stage and claimed to have improved and be a different company,

Given the sometimes slapstick-like nature of e.g. miscommunication presented in the past, I thought it was really low hanging fruit for them to make major steps forward in improvement. My general belief is that people want to improve when they made mistakes in the past which cost them, which embarrassed them.

I did not expect them to not manage to improve seemingly at all, if we look at how the Crystal launch unfolded. That really is a surprise to me, as they appeared to have understood that this kind of mismanagement harms their chances to succeed & survive.

Yet I agree that they are daring in their vision, which is why I am still following their progress, and might be inclined to consider purchasing the 12K if it proves to check the right boxes, as it could offer an immersion no other headset manufacturer is aiming for at the moment.

But I find it quite frustrating to see them repeat mistakes I hardly can imagine to make twice, let alone multiple times, as if all learned lessons are erased from their collective memory after a couple of weeks time and again.

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Let go of the frustration would be my advice, we have enough of that in our day to day lives.

I was extremely enamored with Pimax during their 8K KS campaign and if you recall, the vibe in the community back then was at least 50% of the positive experience following a young company which appeared to push the boundary a lot more than the rest of the market.

I continue to applaud them for the scope of their vision but I actually abhor them by now for their lack of execution. And whilst this was surely down to a lack of staffing way back when, by now it is pretty obvious that their C-Level isn’t able develop their teams into a cohesive company whose execution furthers the brand rather than damage it.

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So Pimax are asking for his headset back and going to replace it.

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Fine, so they probably figured out that it doesn’t work as it should. Now I could ask why Pimax even send faulty units to youtubers, and what that means for the ordinary customer’s chances to get one of the - seemingly rare - well-produced units. But I guess we know the answer.
Anybody remember the old Bad Religion song “no control”? Seems like this is Pimax’ mantra for life…

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This was my concern from the beginning about them starting to ship out units to people while they’re still in a rough Beta state (if not Alpha) for ‘some’ of their features.

If there’s any issue with the hardware and design of those units, then they’d be facing recalls/RMAs for those hundreds if not potentially thousands of units they’ve sold and delivered already.

I feel this attitude is a ‘first to market’ mentality at the cost of quality and reputation.
I rightly do not know well enough if there’s going to be a major competitor that will soon come to market with an HMD that rivals the Crystal’s advertised features and their quality.
Perhaps there is, and perhaps (since most things are made in China anyways), there’s some ‘inside’ information that Pimax has become privy to that has helped push Pimax towards conducting itself in this way.

Could Valve’s Deckard be closer than we think?
Does Meta 3 really compete?
Will there be another HMD within the next 6mos that will directly compete with ‘all of/most of/enough of’ what the Crystal does now and will offer?

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That’s a good question. Can pancake lenses get rid of the glare 100%? If they can then all the advantage of aspheric lenses is gone and only companies with pancake tech will get the lions share of future HMD sales.

Pico4 Enterprise does more than Crystal, works out of the box, is smaller and is more than half the price and has s huge game library. Its only downside is the limit on the port bandwidth and lens glare.

Crystals wireless will hit the exact same bandwidth limit on the XR2 chip as any other XR2 HMD while trying to fill way more pixels with bigger panels, bigger audio drivers etc. I’ve not seen one AAA game running on the Crystal wirelessly yet. That’s scary when we’re several months after launch. Maybe Pimax are happy serving the Sim crowd but that’s not going to push Pimax into survival mode 2 years on when the money runs out once again.

I’m still on the fence over my next HMD. Nothing beats the Pico4 for my needs.

Yes the VR1. Aspheric lens quality but 128FoV out of the box, same resolution, backlit panel, modular design, etc.

Looks also like brick and thethered only and lighthouse only but they invest in Hypervision which means much more FOV possibly in future versions.

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I don’t think it’s much bigger in width than a Pico4.

Probably 2 years away in reality.

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Its more the weight than the size I am interested in.

There may be a race for Hypervisions split displays. That cheap full field of view is a seller and winner not many enthusiasts can withstand.

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A lot without battery. Beyond resetting the scale at 127g without headstrap.