I doubt it will get obsolete very fast, original Vive is still not obsolete. It might not be attractive to VR enthusiasts, but it will still be a solid mainstream headset (if the software problems are ironed out).
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I donât have a CPU yet (Intel X299). Do you think itâs best I wait till 2019 to finish building my new PC for VR with a refreshed Skylake-X CPU, allegedly coming out soon?
Part of me is getting excited and hopes Iâll receive my 8K-X as a surprise as Iâm backer #50 something, but the other part of me says save my money and be prepared to wait another 6 months for the 8K-X.
Itâs hard not to get excited and caught up in the relief 5K/8K headsets are being sent out soon!
Not really, there has never been any indication itâll be a step forward on either sde or clarity over the 4k. Iâm not sure why the Spanish testers ever seemed to think there would be. Twice as many horizontal pixels over about twice the horizontal fov leaves about the same ppd. The Spanish testers said several times that they expected at least fifty percent improvement in clarity over the 4k. They also didnât seem to take it on board when this was pointed out. Several times. Not pimaxâ fault if they didnât read the clearly posted details, imagined a better than advertised experience and then got dissatisfied at the real thing falling short and started shouting on the forum about it. Given pimaxâ difficulty with translation I donât blame them for their responses or lack thereof to criticisms based on fantasy.
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The spanish testers expected at least about the same SDE/clarity as the Pimax 4k. The pimax 8k is substantially worse. Thatâs the problem.
From what I can tell no promises were made that testers would receive the M2 for testing. Testers were given the M1 to give feedback on the device for improvements, based on that feedback improvements were made and now that the model is ready for mass production - input is moot at this point.
The only real issue is whether itâs fair that some reviewers should have access to the M2 for public review sooner than others. I think with the leaks and reports of low activity by some of the testers, Pimax have a right to discriminate. In reality they have that right anyway, but it seems they can justify it.
Probably trade-offs were made. If the Spanish testers were all stinky about it in the private forum itâs no wonder they were excluded from the M2.
From what I saw being stated by backers in Berlin with 4K experience I havenât seen them complain about a substantially worse experience - a single one of them even said it was much better (which I doubt it was, for the same reason as Machdisk points out). Can you reference such clearly negative reviews of 4K owners ? Otherwise it might have been a problem of the M1, but the M2 did not seem to trigger that concern.
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There is no evidence that either the 8k M2 or 5k+ is any worse. Also, the spanish testers had the same opportunity to go to berlin as everyone else had, they chose not to. does not lend much to their credibility. If you are speaking of the M1, it does not matter anymore.
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Well all of the Spanish testers said so and also the Pimax âprofessorâ agreed. But they canât say anything now as theyâve been shut-up by Pimax.
I think that with so much NDAâŚ
The forum could take vacations until 16.
Without being able to have any kind of clarifications from Pimax or the tester.
Why so much writing? 
Period of reflection!
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Iâve told him that before, twice.
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I agree with you.
But with the silence imposed by Pimax thanks to the NDA.
So that it is debating blindly?
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You are right that NDA can bind you to not disassemble the product or do anything nasty to it. However, once the product is sold in retail, no one can prevent you from doing whatever you want with it (e.g. âDoes it blend?â). Even if NDA for testers may prohibit that (I have no idea), once the product is sent to the backers (= released to the public), I believe we will see the proper tear down with detailed analysis without any violation.
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Neo at least did repeat several times he expected considerably better than 4k not equivalent. âConsiderably worseâ than 4k would be a pity. But I wonder, is that a reflection of less visible pixels, having to run at lower super sampling because of the doubled rendering effort to get equivalent performance, lower screen utilisation or some other factor? Will the 8kx be higher clarity than the 4k (I would expect so). How much is considerable anyway? (Noticeable? That might only be 5 percent. Its clearly close as people describe it using the exact same language âcan just see it if you look for it but no longer a problemâ so it might be a bit worse but itâs clearly not THAT much worse).
But more to the point, I donât believe pimax ever implied it would be sharper than a 4k. Better certainly, and with the tracking, the lack of ghosting, larger fov and sweetspot, higher frame rate etc⌠Well it clearly is a better headset. So no I donât agree it means that there is a problem with the 8k or that there is something âwrongâ with it. Different trade offs made but it is still a step forward. Thing is coming to the forum about it was potentially damaging to pimaxâ business. Pimax trusted the testers to give them feedback so they could weigh that feedback and fix what they could and settle on what they felt the best balance of compromises were for the end product. The Spanish testers broke that trust because pimax didnât do exactly what they wanted. That wasnât helpful it was petulant and potentially damaging. Pimax may or may not send them review units eventually. As a guy who works in a similar fieldâŚI wouldnât in their shoes.
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What do you mean? After the 16th spanish testers wonât be free to talk about the M1? If you mean they wonât be able to talk about the M2 because they wonât get one, i agree with you that would be unfair to them and detrimental for all backers. But your wording seems to imply the former more than the latter and that would be much worse.
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No shit Sherlock.
The HTC Vive could also have been so much better and the Rift, and the OdysseyâŚ
At one point it is simply a make or break decision for a company thats also why so many KS Campaigns fail because they run out of funds before they can release the product.
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Exactly. NDA will only be lifted for M2, which has only been sent out to the 3 musketeers.
Well then i donât get how people can be ok with that.
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Well, Iâve got no comments on the others. Donât know how helpful or not any of them have been and they have certainly kept strictly to the NDA. I doubt the NDA included any clause on them getting a review unit but it would certainly be nice to see multiple reviews.
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Berlin feedback certainly seems far more positive than that. Certainly several people stated the sweetspot was huge and that distortion was limited to the very outside edge. Given that this sweetspot on my HTC Vive is tiny, only about 30 degrees is ever focused⌠I doubt very much that further improvement to the 8k would be âeasyâ or they would have done it.
In fact although the Berlin feedback sounded better. Actually a sharp focused image across fifty percent of a 200 degree fov would ⌠Still be pretty damn good and a huge step up over gen 1 headsets.
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I was clearly talking of Berlin testers, and the M2.
So to repeat my question: from those in Berlin, who know the M2, which ones clearly articulated the substantially worse experience you have been alluding to already before the meetup ?
It does seem at times like today that you are more on a personal crusade against Pimax than really care about getting a decent headset.
I think that is a pity because you generally come across as a nice and very knowledgeable chap.
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