Nah, I don’t know about the surprises but I think from all the leaks, hints and backer videos we have a fairly good idea about how the headsets perform. No actual measurements yet but I truly believe Swe when he says it is more about using it than comparing spec numbers
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i wouldn’t poke that sje bear too hard, reading the spanish testers locked topic , its pretty clear they got the darth vader cloud city special.
In terms of predictions. i think they will all greenlight the headset pretty easily. i think they will mention flaws. i think a big point in mrtvs analysis may be that freemotion systems can cause nausea with the edge of view distortion. i think that will be one of his strongest negatives.
i think probably within a week max of the spanish testers getting their units if they do choose to get them early, they will showcase through the lens images with 0 sde and make a polite i told you so post, asking backers if they think their view, which is equivalent to the reduced fov mode that exists in software of 8k and clips off distortion, but which radically increases ppd of the resulting image is a hardware lens option backers would buy, and petition pimax to build it.
Due to lens tooling cost unless lens can be sourced and then a distortion profile built around it it probably wont happen, but if backers come up with a 3d printed insert and stock lens and send it to them they might build a distortion profile around it.
If the modified versions are radically well received on forums, they may then end up creating a new lens themselves and offering it to customers.
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More like twin smoking camels.
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they will showcase through the lens images with 0 sde and make a polite i told you so post, [/quote]
As much I would like them to do so, I do not think it going to happen. Spanish testers are GROOSLY underestimate complexety of their proposal. It leads me to conclusion that not one of them have ANY expirience in developing ANY optical system. So, there is no reason to belive that they can deliver.
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oh there will probably be a small area of image at centre which looks like this , they just need a lens that condenses the 170 down to 140 or whatever to show how much that shrinks sde.
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just need a lens that condenses the 170 down to 140[/quote]
Aha, they JUST need a lens. Simple as that. I wonder, why they JUST not swaping a screen on Vive or Rift, for exactly the same, but with higher resolution and PPI? It is so simple, isn’t it? You JUST need a screen!
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I think your caps freakout is somewhat unnecessary. i thought that i had made it clear, but apparently not. I’m not saying that what they would produce would be fit for purpose. i’m saying it would show the condensing of the screen to show how far they could get sde down. and based on their posts i think they already did that. hence why i said within a week max.
Please. exercise some control of yourself.
Agreed. @deletedpimaxrep1 time should be given to allow all testers time to evaluate the m2 & post their reviews of the units.
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Personally I think sj has caused enough damage in this forum of late.
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This is pointless. They suggest some kind of hardware FOV reduction with lenses. Good luck to them with finding lenses that are capable to do it for HMD designed for 200 degree FOV.
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With the reduced FoV it is quite possible to design an insert with regular lenses. But redesigning a special Wide FoV lens on the other hand is big bucks. & at this time pimax has had this project going for a long time & needs to be able to start generating cash flow. It’s not like other companies that have other products to maintain financial stability.
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With the reduced FoV it is quite possible yo design an insert with regular lenses[/quote]
It is, but reduced FOV on Pimax mean that less of the panel is used, PPI of virtual world remain the same, so no gains in SDE or resolution department. You see the same picture quality, you just see less of it.
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Do you realize that condensing the screen will just reduce the user FOV, but preserve all optical issues (color aberration, pincushion distortion) related to high FOV lenses? Why should Pimax do that? They could save yourselves the hassle, use smaller screens with higher PPI and lenses with lower FOV and avoid all of that.
The point you and some others seem to be missing is that Pimax wanted to build high FOV headset and decided to accept the shortcomings which stemmed from that decisions. And so far they are sticking to that design goal. The fact that you or someone else thinks that their design should be changed to something else, because you might like it more is in this context irrelevant.
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Actually this is my position, and i outlined that to the people you are talking about quite some time ago. There is a difference between understanding someone else’s view, and holding it. I am very happy with the tradeoff for fov / clarity pimax chose. wide fov is the reason i backed above all others.
to quote myself
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It is that simple if you get OSVR. & in the early Oculus folks did do screen swap mods.
With an angled screen though the lens would need to be made parallel if using a regular lens & like the lens mod though you’d need a distortion profile change.
The soft FoV reduction blacks out unused screen.
But a lens could compress more of the screen that is used. Now for pic quality on the 8k opposed to the 5k. The 8k can end up having a better pic quality as it can still use the 2xQhd input then upscale the pic within the used area of the screen.
It’s interesting how you try to pin Pimax’s complete failure to communicate in a good way with its community on me. And then you tried to make me look bad by saying Pimax already decided to give all testers an M2, which turned out to be a lie from your part since the Spanish testers won’t get one. And don’t get me wrong here, of course I understand from a business point of view that a company would want to scratch the worst looking reviews, it will ensure a better launch of the product, I get that. But that still doesn’t make it good, it’s highly unethical the least and most likely even illegal since it was promised here on the forum. You can’t put somebody to work on the promise of a reward and then just skip the reward upon completion of their hard work.
Your standard defense is ‘yeah but look at all the other companies doing unethical or even illegal things’. That’s right, the latest scam being Huawei cheating benchmark results to make their phones look better than they’re really are. To me personally the fact that someone else does something unethical/illegal it can never be an excuse to do something wrong too.
That’s all I’ll say about it, trolls can come in now and make fun of it.
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In the end, what is matter is how many pixels are distributed over what FOV. And with Pimax, it is simply not enough to expect any mod, related to software FOV reduction (e. g. adding black bars to the sides of the screens) to give significant improvements of SDE and/or resolution of the sweet spot.
Well let’s see. I never said anything about their communication being on you. What is on you is that you took an event that was positive & have done your damnest to make it bad.
As for the m2 yes they will get one that is true. The details of course were not clear. But as backers it is a given. Now do I agree with Pimax not shipping all the testers the m2 so they can post their evaluations on the 16th? No I do not think that is the right decision. However that is not just our Spanish testers (whom your labeling bad not I); but all of them. Only the 3 testers that attended the event have them with enough time to evaluate & publish their findings.
Many Backers want more than 3 viewpoints to be able to make the choice of sticking with the 8k M2 or swap out to the 5k+. So no I didn’t lie. If you hadn’t backed out you would have an m2 as well.
So stop trying to sabotage things when folks seem happy with events. Because that is on you. I have had a lot of respect for you; but you seem to be determined to make me rethink that. And I am sure pimax is likely doing the same.
I remember when you used to be a positive & respectful member. What happened to him? Because I don’t know this iteration of you.
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