I know this gets discussed but in a myriad of different topics, but randomly it seems.
Is there any information out there that gives us a best guess of when the NDA will be lifted?
I am hoping having this one thread will save me from wading through other threads for such information.
âbest guessâ, wow that leaves it wide open to interpretationâŚwhat would be the point of hanging on that sort of speculation though? Pimax has said I believe that they may never lift it on the M1 because it is a prototype. But I feel your pain in the wait my friend 
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Would make sense if they would never lift it
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Thatâll be up to pimax themselves, and I guess it wonât be until released product is out there on shelves and is reviewed, so that could be a long time beyond when you and I get their kit.
The one thing pimax donât want is reviews of this preview kit - h/w and s/w - making it look as if they are a fair representation of the finished product. Like buying a new car based on a review based on some long range observations of a pre-production prototype. The whole point of this testing is to iron out any final (hopefully minimal) issues.
So yeah, I wouldnât be surprised if the NDA remains substantially, if not fully, in place until well beyond any of us caring about it.
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They have unfortunately said it wonât be lifted until the final versions are in production/shipping. And even then we donât know if that means M1 NDA will remain so we may never know the M1 testers experiences, and just get info on the released version.
Which does go against what they originally told us, but guess they are learning to keep certain info quiet to prevent premature bad impressions.
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Strictly speaking, you would not need to know which problems the M1 suffered from as long as they were fixed. What will be much more important will be the review of the final unit. Only there the problems will matter.
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For the standard end user I agree. But as a backer Iâm interested in every aspect of whats happening. Need to knowâŚno! Want to knowâŚyes!
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Alright. That sounds fair.
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Oh interesting, I must have missed that info, hence this thread.
I was under the impression that the NDA was just in place until all the testers had finished and that originally there wasnât even a plan for an NDA at all until some wise shrews here advised there should be one?
I can see both points of view but personally I would like as much information as possible within the context of this being a prototype that was tested. I understand that not all people would take any negatives in that context.
While a product should be judged on its full release no lifting of the NDA does however raise the suspicion that there are some negatives that they hope to correct before final release.
After all nobody wants to censor overwhelming positivity.
In the end though people will purchase the product on its merits once the CV is released, Iâm not sure any early reviews of a prototype would affect sales either way though it may save a few keyboards being smashed and dummies going flying.
I donât expect the NDA to be lifted.
What I DO expect is for Pimax to post an update, with a summary of the results, including a list of the major issues, what they plan to do to fix them, and a revised shipment date. Iâd also like to know the positives, that is, what are the good things that the testers have reported?
Right now, the only concrete thing I know of is that the software will now have a 170° option, which should not affect the hardware ship date.
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Originally Pimax said:
âTesters join the closed discussion and communicate with Pimax team - Login details for the closed forum will be shared alongside the questionnaireâ
âTesters agree on a release date that allows all testers to have time to organize the reviews - this can take place in the forumâ
So thatâs been our expectation. However, now they are saying:
âThe NDA wonât be lifted until we believe the product is ready for customersâ
So looks like they moved the goalposts for whatever reasons we can only speculate.
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There is nothing misleading. Testers will agree on a release date that will be set right after the product becomes ready In other words the NDA will be lifted by the Pimax and not by the testers, thats the point of NDA so far 
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Seems more like Pimaxâs style to inform us of issues after theyâve worked to correct them. The move to support 170° must have been to address something from the testers, either not all the games / software is playing nice at 200°, or itâs just too hard on the graphics cards for some games.
I think itâs just smart businesswise, with this you tackle doubts about compatibility and system demands more
I agree. They did get some bad press from some of the earlier prototype showings, not all was bad obviously a lot more Iâd say was positive too. But some seemed to give impressions as if its the finished product. The LTT review was a joke in my opinion and further comment Linus made in a future vid I disagreed with, but itâs an opinion thatâs out there with a lot of people believing it. Granted those of us with half a brain knew at what stage pimax was at, but it stil sends the internet into a shitstorm when someone says something bad. Look at the so-called âleaksâ a couple of weeks agoâŚ
Someone we donât know potentially has a 15min demo and wrote about various things breaking NDA. Assuming they were legit, there could be a number of reasons they had a less than stellar experience, some stupid stuff happening, setup issues, wrong software, who knows?! But lots of people were then dissecting and discussing the issues as if they were a proven fact.
So its a shame we backers who can accept the technicalities of development wonât get the inside info because of this, but I guess its probably for the best.
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