Dont know why pimax dont post these themselves. XD The ability to see detail on the hands here is pretty savage. I’m really
starting to get excited.
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This one looks good, I remember playing this one on Oculus and it’s like 1990’s vs 2020’s
That’s cool to know, everything looks so sharp!!!
And this is the criticized V5…something has changed.
@3:11 wow, that is why I have been waiting for the resolution jump before investing in VR
Because most of us can see these videos look naff.
A) That looks like a monitor capture and not rendered through the HMD
B) The device used to record the screen/HMD is incapable of recording it correctly. (fps rec is lower than Hz)
C) Compression in video streams can actually remove artifacts from the original.
Pimax are meant to be experts in display technology, these videos are the exact opposite of that. Honestly, does nobody else care about this? It is brand suicide.
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I think you and a handful of others are overreacting to it.
The rest of us are fine. In spite of the fact that the videos are homemade quality.
“brand suicide”? capitalist thinking. Don’t worry about that stuff, just enjoy life. And let others enjoy theirs, don’t stress out over tiny stuff like this.
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Then why do they post them on their twitter. or make them at all when they are always posted here…
A sounds like you are impressed with the quality of the 8k hmd image, but are literally generating an excuse to not be.
B unless the device thats recording matches the refresh rate of the screen exactly you will get flicker, whether it is above that rate or below it it is still out of sync.
aka if the hmd display is 80-82.5 images per second , and the camera is 60 fps a camera , they are out of sync , if the camera is 90 fps and the hmd is 80 you will still get frames captured by the camera where the hmd is out of sync and frame is mid draw.
C . evidence that this is the case here please.
Honestly. The current headset has plenty of actual issues to fix without reaching this far to invent more and go down the conspiracy theory route. The last time i had that discussion on here it ended with the other party claiming the pimax staff were starving and that pimax was secretly a test for star vr and that pimax was secretly owned by them. Im not investing time into that kind of discussion again. The video looks great, cant wait for them to get the rest of the issues sorted and get my unit.
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All I can say is its really good for humanity that the backers on here didn’t back people like Edison and the 6000+ wrong attempts to make the lightbulb work.
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Half correct, I need high res VR for my work and the Pimax 8K-X is the answer to that in my near future so I desperately want them to succeed. But the HMD is only one part of the solution. If marketing / support / repairs and all the other bits that make up a company are crap then it will fall flat on its arse like thousands of others that had a brilliant product let down by other departments. Businesses are cogs.
That is incorrect. If you record at 24fps on an external video camera then set your display to 48/72/96 Hz and you will have a solid external capture. It is about matching the frequency or a multiple of it. If you have control of the shutter speed on the camera then you can remove scanlines / black bars by setting that to the frequency too. There is no excuse for videos like this.
Bah, If I had read that at the start I wouldn’t have bothered replying.
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It can be a pain to gen-lock a video source, at least for non-professionals. I’m fine with the flicker. That’s not important, things like resolution and brightness are.
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It’s cool, but every video that’s ever been taken through the lens defocuses off the pixels.
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its pretty strange how you went from not knowing that simply making the cameras capture rate higher than the hmd would not solve the flicker (in multiple topics no less), to bolding text.
If my sin is not being specific enough, then it is the same sin as your ‘higher fps will solve the flicker’ , no?
He did, finally, lock down the camera which is nice, so we can see the tracking looks good now that the video is stable. That D3Pixel suggested this (titled through the lens) video looks like a monitor speaks volumes to the image quality we are about to enjoy.
Any improvements in videos are certainly welcome, but the one thing I would like to see is a better indication of performance which would be to video a horde scene from Arizona Suhshine or Serious Sam. It is the elephant in the room, since none of the videos have ever stressed out the gameplay. Run the fight using full movement (no teleport) max monsters. If this scenario runs as well as the last video, performance wise, we are in for some serious envy moments from our friends.
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This video has terrible ghosting. Whether that is reprojection or not I’m not sure.
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Something thats pretty interesting about this video too, is that for the first 2 mins 29 there is no flicker. the dimming is not quite stationary, it moves down the screen a little over the course of the minute. same thing from 3.30 onwards,. but, thats only on the lower res versions of the videos which are 25 fps .
on the higher res versions the framerate is 50 fps ( one presumes this is the native fps of video, its listed as such in specs), and flicker is visible throughout.
i point this out as some may find the lower res video a much more pleasant viewing experience with the stationary flicker.
also, given how the 25p turned out, it may be worth showing a 4k 25p video which that model is capable of shooting if just for the sake of getting look at higher res.
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Display Experts not videographer experts
Yes I do agree with what your saying on making the videos look “prettier” & thus more proffessional will be extremely beneficial ingredient for good marketing campaign.
They have said often they are a small team. To this end they are learning new roles.
To me through the lens is just to give an idea on how good but no substition for hands on.
Your critiquing(sp?) However can be spun to be of value.
Your skill set for example. From your posts you have experience in using Video Cameras to film displays & how to sync them to improve overall image quality.
To this end post a guide on how to improve their settings & techniques (as you kinda have) but add depth & reccommend pointers, tips & tricks. 
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@Heliosurge , it depends what recording equipment they are using and then it is trial and error as the environment makes a difference too (ceiling lights could be operating at different freq to display panels etc) but it is all doable. Once they have nailed the settings then just use them again and again, assuming it is in the same room! if you change room and don’t/can’t turn the lights off then you have to repeat the process or use video editing.
I think it was you? who mentioned using a mannequin head with a camera rigged inside it for recording HMD footage through the lens. You should create that 
Right, there are plenty of guides on the basics already out there like this one:
And for other tips like LCD lighting leaking into the shot then this next video has some tips too.
If you already have flickering videos then some smart phones are smart enough to filter it out for you like this app
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/seed-de-flicker/id1201954035?mt=8
Here is a video showing it in action
If you have AdobeCC then you have flicker removal plugins too, also native controls in PP is the Flicker Filter but it is not great at removing a lot of flicker as shown in these videos (I tested it on the Pimax star wars video file). Also multi exposure approaches to removing flicker had trouble on the Pimax Star wars video too so either get it right first time or buy a flicker removal tool / plugin / add on.
Whatever flicker removal tool you use, it will introduce softness or blur so you would need to compensate for that but then you are starting to mess with the footage so best to record without flicker if the first place.
Edit: Actually after thinking about this some more. I think recording through the lens does not really give you the best impression of what it looks like in person because it has too many processed steps compared to the real experience.
e.g.
Light from panel to HMD Fresnel Lens → Air gap / light leak → Into camera lenses for recording → Compression → Computer file → Youtube (More compression)
You may as well fake it in CGI and show Gen 1 VR and then switch to simulated Pimax VR to get that absolute WOW factor across. This is how a TV commercial would do it for good reason
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haha, I would love to not get bothered about things, I would be much more at peace. Alas, I have standards and not afraid to voice them, even if it’s just me against the Emperor’s clothes and his merry forum members
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The thing is that it doesn’t matter how well or not-well produced the videos are. A youtube video will never be an accurate representation of the overall quality and experience of a VR HMD. The only way to get that is when you have the HMD in your hands (on your face).
Yes, they can get closer to an accurate representation, but it will never be close enough, so why bother (in my opinion). Even in the face of my said opinion, it seems that Xunshu has convinced their tester to make these videos a little better, for our sake. Given the fact that these videos are essentially ‘fluff’ (and that’s all they could ever be), I think that’s pretty good of them. But it’s still just fluff. The upcoming tester reviews will have the depth that you’re after.
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