Pimax On VR Roundtable

Fresco · October 30, 2018, 4:08pm

I agree, this needs repeating, well said.

neelrocker:

I will also not change my mind about delivering backers ASAP being the n°1 priority to ensure a further commercial success. Because while the youtubers have done an awesome job giving the initial push (a pure gift from them pimax should be thankful for, and they also already helped a lot with the betatesting), the backers are the ones who will allow to reach a wider audience. With their feedbacks they will extend the communication initiated by the youtubers, reaching deeper in smaller communities but this multiplied by several thousands backers.

This will produce more sales (and bigger ROI to the investors). Word of mouth from the thousands backers will be their next best weapon to ensure the best commercial success. The faster they deliver HMDs to them and the better they handle support to the problems those early adopters are and will be facing, the more positive image those early adopters will spread about pimax as a company. Not only are the backers extremely important as influencers who can create more sales, but they are also extremely important to iron out the remaining software (and possibly hardware) bugs.

Antivirus · October 30, 2018, 5:29pm

No company should sit around waiting for someone else to release or hype up a rival product stealing demand. Make hay while the sun shines.

Employee: “Hi Boss, we’ve just had a big enquiry if we can supply 5,000 units, they haven’t asked for any specific delivery dates and the money is paid up front”

Boss: “No problem, take the order, set a new target”

Boss Heliosurge: “No, hang up the phone now!”

I think you can see what Pimax have chosen. Anyway the point I’m making is I believe they are right to take the pre-orders now and I believe it will help increase production. You believe they have made the wrong decision by taking pre orders and it will not help increase production. So if you’re right the current “optimistic” production rate of around 3 units per day is not going to increase. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see what happens…

Heliosurge · October 30, 2018, 5:54pm

No it’s called realistic Ramping. If quality & manufacturing issues are preventing hitting basic targets increasing targets with more demand is not a good plan.

You set targets once the target is acheive you set a new target that is higher. This is called stepping up.

If we can’t produce 100 units a day setting a new target of 200 is foolish. No matter how much you want to sell more.

Not sure why you have trouble understsnding basic manufacturing principles with bottlenecks that need to be eliminated before being capable of it.

Antivirus · October 30, 2018, 6:40pm

I’m just going to start quoting you from now on as its too easy to . In the real world targets can change at any time and do all the time for a vast number of reasons, targets can go up and wait for it… … drum roll… … targets can go down!! Guess what that’s called (in your book)?

You really believe that targets don’t change?! Just from that one comment it says everything about what little you know about manufacturing. Not sure why you have trouble understanding basic manufacturing principles with supply and demand. Oh wait didn’t you say you’ve work for a few companies that failed, I’m now getting a clearer picture of why

Antivirus · October 30, 2018, 6:47pm

By the way I don’t believe for one second you’re involved in manufacturing and also from what you’ve said about failed companies you’ve worked for I don’t believe that you’re responsible for any decision making either.

You’re a can’t man

TrevorVR · October 30, 2018, 6:57pm

Yeaahhh… maybe ease up a bit, friend.

Heliosurge · October 30, 2018, 7:00pm

As one whom has extensive history in working Manufacturing my experience says. Meet target or exceed & set new target.

Pimax hasn’t been able to reach first Target. Increasing demand with ore orders dies not change this fact.

Those companies that have failed. Did so by making promises before they could make good on the initial production quota. Failed to meet okd targets & wasn’t able ti hit new even higher targets. Resulring in failure & lost of contract.

When you set up a new product line you need to first meet your initial targets before setting new higher ones.

I can understand this is possibly out if your experience to understand. As I have wirked for several fortune 500 companies & a few mom & pop organizations.

But to avoid possible trolling I will not continue this hypothetical debate as I have better things to do.

Heliosurge · October 30, 2018, 7:04pm

No I am a realistic man whom has been involved in manufacturing decisions at a variety of levels including machine setups requiring change for improved output.

I get the impression you have only seen manufacturing on TV shows like “How it’s made”

Antivirus · October 30, 2018, 7:16pm

There’s a few other shows as well as that, I’m sure you know those too. Anyway no matter what you say I just can not convince myself to believe any of it, in fact I’m more surprised you’re trying to convince me? You’ve no idea what I do and never will but you wouldn’t see me post what you just did to try and convince a complete strange on a web forum? that’s another reason why I’m surprised, very odd indeed. Why would someone do that?

Heliosurge · October 30, 2018, 7:35pm

One could say the reverse is true as you are trying to convince others if your point of view & don’t have any idea of what exactly my roles were in companies I worked for.

So I hope you can see the irony in your own post & that it’s not so strange at all. When you consider you are doing the same strange behaviour that is common in forum discussions.

Antivirus · October 30, 2018, 7:50pm

You’re starting to ramble a bit now? I’m not trying to convince anyone, I’m stating my opinion. You’ve gone off taking about watching TV shows and then trying to convince me about your work history? Read your own post, surely you’re now thinking why indeed did I post up that? I’m still amazed with the detail you went into with that post trying to convince me?

Anyway I’ll just quote myself here to save time.

Heliosurge · October 30, 2018, 7:53pm

I will save you time you challenged my experience. & posting your opinion is trying to convince others. Especially if you are responding to others opinions based on their experience as you have.

Antivirus · October 30, 2018, 8:04pm

No, its just posting an opinion you chose to interpret that opinion anyway you like.

You did post a lot of info to try and convince me, I still don’t believe you so are you going to post your CV next? Come on there’s no need to post that much detail it does come across as a bit desperate to be honest. Like you really want to convince me?