It’s just that I see that enthusiast is putting being the scene caution and good sens, from a customer point of view pre ordering at this stage and those prices don’t give you many advantages maybe 2 months advances if every things goes well? A better general advice would be keep your eyes on this small company but you should wait until the kit is completed before ordering unless you absolutely want this product 2 months before any normal customers
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I think it has been a moment (weeks) we have been past that point now (at least concerning the majority of initial naysayers).
But pimax can still if not fail (probably not) at least sub-perform a lot regarding the huge potential their have in front of them now.
To take the most out of this potential they absolutely NEED to do one step after another, and achieve those steps in the right order.
That’s not what they are doing. They seem to be diluting their (limited) manpower way too much, trying to go into several directions at the same time.
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I think (and assume) Pimax is putting 90% of their efforts now on the production line and shipment.
The pre orders are just preliminary numbers they needed to see the demand, and pre orders wont (and shouldn’t) affect the backer order production and shipment.
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Do we have any information on how successful the preorder launch was in terms of sales ? I hope it’s going well .
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No numbers that Im aware of, but hopefully they will give us a hint soon. Its been quite quiet from Pimax the last days.
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Yeah the boss is in San Francisco for the Backer meet . So at least some more impressions from backers are on the way.
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As long as they have taken money for those pre-orders it WILL put much more pressure on pimax.
At the LA meetup someone asked xunshu if pimax was running out of funds to be doing that and she laughed while answering “of course not”.
Then why putting this additionnal pressure, when you can’t even manage to ramp up your production to just have the backers get their pledges ?
You 3 youtubers have undoubtely given pimax the huge initial push that made a big commercial success become a possibility (pimax has made a good product and you widely have spread the proof it was).
But now, imho, pimax does not deliver to the level of the big push you gave them.
They don’t seem to realize a strong community like the one that has built around those HMD can collapse much faster than it took to build.
Let imagine a similar competitor was disclosed tomorrow from a company much more organized to assume a production fulfilling the demand, I can easily imagine the whole pimax community vanishing in less time it takes to say it.
Pimax seems one step late in analysing their current situation: they are still wasting time with roadshows despite they have already won this round. The majority is now convinced their products are well worth their attention. (the above roundtable is representative of that fact)
What they need to do now is to consolidate their position, and this starts by showing the world they can quickly manage to master the manufacturing, and nothing else.
Failing so miserably to simply fulfill the KS pledges is throwing to the world the opposite message, especially when in the meantime head persons from the staff seem “to be taking good time around the world enjoying their successful KS” (I’m not saying this description is correct but this is certainly how it is perceived by many).
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As far as I know, money are only reserved upon Pimax pre-orders, and not transfered. Both creditcard and paypal. Same way as it was during Vive pre orders back in early 2016. Once the pre order is ready to be shipped, money is being drawn from the reservation.
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Again people have been reporting money being debited from paypal or bank accounts. Whether this money is transferred or just reserved won’t change the fact it is made unusable for the person who pre-ordered.
At least unless the pre-order is cancelled, but the fact one may not be sure how long it would take to be credited back, if even he will be, should hold many to even think about trying to cancel.
So for me the result is the same, that’s more pressure put on pimax shoulders.
Now I’m not used to pre-order things so I may just lack knowledge in this area and it would be a well known fact you are immediately credited back when you cancel such a pre-order ?
When you pre-order something on amazon is the money debited (reserved) from your bank account too ?
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Amazon takes your money once its about to get shipped. Not b4, thats a bad move because u never know how shit hits the fan.
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You mention that the controllers and base stations are $300 but forgot to notice that cost is a deposit amount. Not the full amount.
I would expect that price to double and then some more. If you are right and that is the full amount then all Vive / Vive Pro and Pimax users will be trying to order it as that would be an absolute bargain for base stations and knuckle/touch style controllers.
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I’m sorry Martin, but until I get my Pimax 5k+ or Pimax 8k in my hands, it is. (to me at least) 
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Yep this pre order is pre paid. Not debited before shippung.
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Then why putting this additionnal pressure, when you can’t even manage to ramp up your production to just have the backers get their pledges ?
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They have to keep the Investors happy.
You don’t think they were handed 15 million for fun. Pimax most likely told the Investors pre orders will start at the end of October. As far as investors are concerned they’ve hit this target on time. The question is did they hit their estimate number of pre orders?
Pimax have bigger problems than coming here to answer backers questions, you’ve done your job. You’ll get your headset when ever Pimax decide. Pimax at the moment will be focusing on meeting their Investor targets. That’s key to them, if they fail that how is round 2 of funding going to work out?
They have to ramp up production but at what cost…
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To this I can argue those investors will certainly be happy when they realize pimax lost massive sales because of getting the reputation of an unreliable company, not able to meet targetted dates, and ignoring their customers questions and complaints…
This is already happening, I see non-backers commenting on this every day. It’s up to pimax to explain to their investors the right move now is to consolidate their image by focussing on mastering manufacturing and improving their communication instead of going money hungry.
The latter is just short term vision, they may make some fast cash now but at what cost on the long term ?
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Nonsense, you don’t know what any of the targets are or anything that has been said to any investors. They could have well exceeded their pre-order targets like they did with the kickstarter goal.
Pimax have said they expect most backers to get their headsets before Christmas, they could do that now that they have this extra pressure on them. As I’ve said before this is a good thing, I would have been more worried if they delayed the pre-orders.
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Arguing details you know nothing about is pointless. Selling pre ordees when there already having a boat load of issues maybe irresponsible & damage the company image before they get things moving.
When they avoid answering simple easy to answer questions like “Have you tested Amd Graphics cards?” It doesn’t breathe confidence in their brand.
So no atm it maybe isn’t good to do pre orders when manufacturing is uncertain & software features not implemented or simple changelogs on software are empty.
The last backer thst spoke to Robin said he figures 2500 to 3000 headsets. My math says hardly close to 90% as many have multiple headsets order and there is also VR party packs.
0 updates on 8k-X and the list keeps growing.
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They need to hire a few experienced people for some roles simple as that. A project manager perhaps and a marketing/pr person among other areas they need filled out, qa/support/production…and maybe dev as well.
If Robin cannot see that his company needs to build itself up more with qualified personnel that can help bring them to a functional and forward moving operation then we just have to see what ends up happening with the course they have chosen for themselves…and ultimately their customers.
I would love to seem them add a couple western employees personally as I think there is a cultural/professional gap that they just seem oblivious too apparently looking from the outside. They are making it harder for themselves to succeed than it needs to be.
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I would imagine 400 8K-X backers is something like only 10% of their Kickstarter ‘audience’ in terms of total HMD’s expected to be made, and soon far more with pre orders rolling in.
As the 8K-X backers investment was banked 12 months ago, this 10% can effectively be ignored, so they have been in terms of feedback over updates.
I don’t think it’s anything malicious, just human nature to focus on the vast majority rather than the tiny majority.
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