Billions of investment and all it took was a few million for a small company to make a real HMD. Unbelievable!
What HMD ? Have you seen one ?
Yes the Pimax 8K. The one Palmer Luckey inventor of the Rift has tried and is endorsing
He’s clearly not getting paid to endorse it
It’s been shown around the world. Where have you been?
Here. Inside world, trying to replace a Pimax 4K which was supposed to be 4K but it was 2.5K. What about you? Where have you been, since it looks you are not aware about the illusions Pimax is capable to sell.
You talk about “a real HMD” as if it was real. The only thing which is real about this HMD is a little thing called “hope”.
Not really sure what you are getting at…Oculus was a small company too, and had their second dev kit fully designed and ready for manufacture by the time Facebook bought them. What Facebook’s purchase really allowed them to do is charge less for the device, get it into BestBuy, use more custom parts and materials, and pay to have high quality games made for it. Without the huge investment, we would still have a great VR headset, just not one that looks and feels so premium with such very high quality games. And they may not have been able to get the motion-tracked controllers out as quickly as they did, and definitely wouldn’t have been able to drop the price to $399.
@Mirq
Thought you were being literal and had not heard of it. Didn’t know you being sarcastic but then why would I, and I am quite aware of Pimax’s fuzzy math. Perhaps if you had done the math before you bought a 4K. It’s not like that hasn’t been discussed in here in these forums at length. I am guessing that you aren’t a Kickstarter and are just here to spread some warp sense of Christmas Cheer.
I am pretty sure Palmer did the math and likes what he sees despite the misleading labels. I’m in the glass is half full on this one. Kinda moot at this point in any case. Merry Christmas.
Yeah yeah yeah I get what you mean. Theres always that one guy that takes things literally just to start an argument. Obviously the 8k is not a “real” HMD because a real headset you would be talking human eye resolutuon and 240+ FOV.
My point simply is that Oculus with all their money decided to take the safe route by releasing a low spec device instead of investing in key components like a a customized panel with upscaling chip. They had a chance to launch VR and the CV1 is visually a dogs breakfast. Most normal people (non enthusiast) who have tried VR shrug ot of as a gimmick. So far with Pimax’s small investment they have managed to make a device that according to reviews looks pretty damn good. Thats why Palmer is endorsing them because he wants to throw a spanner in the works so the hardware dramatically improves instead of slow iterations ovev the bext 5 years. There’s no point of all this investment going into VR apps and VR video capture if it looks like absolute crap compared to TV
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My point simply is that Oculus with all their money decided to take the safe route by releasing a low spec device instead of investing in key components like a a customized panel with upscaling chip. They had a chance to launch VR and the CV1 is visually a dogs breakfast. Most normal people (non enthusiast) who have tried VR shrug ot of as a gimmick[/quote]
Show me an article anywhere where someone first tried Rift or Vive and wasn’t impressed. I’ve never known anyone to have tried one of those and not been impressed (unless they tried a bad app and got sick…and even then sometimes they are still impressed).
It just seems a bit odd to be complaining that the very first modern VR headset should have been significantly better. It’s like complaining that the very first cell phone should have had a touchscreen with multitouch. Especially when you consider that it’s price and content that’s driving VR adoption, not quality. PSVR is outselling everything else, despite having a lower resolution, FOV, worse tracking, lower powered computer running it. The Rift at launch cost $600 and required a $1000 computer, without even motion-tracked computers, and people considered it too expensive. Imagine having launched a $1200 headset that required a $2000 computer, even enthusiasts would have had problems getting one.
Palmer Luckey is excited about Pimax because it’s a great new headset, the first second-gen VR device in the modern VR era, and he’s a HUGE VR enthusiast, who had been collecting VR headsets long before the Rift DK1.
Exactly thanks for backing up my point. Pimax is going to release the first next gen headset with a few million while HTC and Oculus sit on their prototypes and try to milk the industry with their first gen dev kit devices. I dont know what reviews you’ve been watching but nearly every single first impression review I’ve seen ends with complaints about low resolution SDE and god rays. People react positively to the concept of VR. Its an entirely new form of media but so far it’s in no way visually stunning
Rift and vive were spectacular and used the best displays available to them. The problem is that they have to make them financially viable by selling a good number of units now. The really sad thing is, that they focus on crappy mobile units now to sell bigger numbers. Something that might hurt VR in the long run because they seem to be quite underwhelming.
This is Pimax’s big chance to step in and get to be a player in the market.
Actually total PSVR resolution is higher because it has full RGB strip rather than pentile. And FOV is slightly higher than rift but a bit lower than vive. Comfort wise PSVR beats Vive and Rift, and as it is a closed platform for so many people it is hassle free. No wonder why it is sold better. But VR is so lucky to have Playstation support as more people will get into it, experience it. I own PSVR, rift and supported Pimax 8k, I hope they succeed.
I meant Pimax 8K is not “real” in the sense it does not exist yet. Just promises.
You can’t imagine how many “good” reviews I studied before I bought Pimax 4K only to find out that it was a scam.
Truth is we will never know the real reason why Palmer is endorsing this or anything else. We can only guess, and it is kinda obvious…
Look, I am a baker, I also hope for the holly grail of VR, Probably unlike you, I was burnt once by Pimax, but I still give them a chance.
All I say is just PRUDENCE !
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Pimax is going to release the first next gen headset with a few million while HTC and Oculus sit on their prototypes and try to milk the industry with their first gen dev kit devices.[/quote]
Respectfully, I don’t think it’s a matter of milking the industry. I think it’s due more to the heavy investment to power a high resolution headset. Only a relatively small number of enthusiasts can afford a $600-800 graphics card to power a beast like the Pimax 8K (with an adequate framerate). Therefor, the current crop of VR headsets have a much lower res than anyone really cares for.
I’m just glad there is a high res option, even though I plan to spend (roughly) double the cost of the 8K for a new graphics card, whenever NVidia gets around to releasing their next high-end card. Honestly, I’d really prefer the 8KX version, but unfortunately, the system required is out of my price range.
Pimax already managed to solve the processing power requirements by upscaling to higher resolution screens. Bugs aside they proved the concept more than a year ago with the P4K with minimal investment and a small engineering team
The thing that fustrates me the most is how both Oculus and HTC have tried to force feed the market with only one model of their headsets. Trying to make VR dirt cheap and high quality at the same time is a dumb strategy. HTC is selling the exact same product for commercial use but at double the price
Somone exhibiting VR art at a mall or museum has the same terrible low specs a kid can buy down at wall mart
Respectfully, upscaling is not really an adequate solution for high res. I don’t want to have a 1080p window scaled up; I want to natively run in high resolution (like the 8KX). Ideally, the screen should be supersampled to a even higher res. That requires at least an NVidia 1080Ti. I am accepting the first “barely adequate” high res headset, the 8K, on a 980Ti (which I will upgrade at first opportunity).
Your 980ti is gonna struggle on the 8k…big time. Unless of course you don’t mind running graphics settings at console level quality.
Yes, I understand. I’m willing to run Elite Dangerous (the only VR app I care about) in low quality mode, until NVidia releases their next high-end video card. The 1080Ti isn’t actually good enough for ED on the 8K in my opinion, so I’m willing to wait a few more months, rather than spend $700+ for an inadequate card.
Fair enough. I’m just going to sell my 1080ti once the next gen rolls in.