I agree its NOT cool to “share” the mod. I was just commenting that there were instances where people asked me via Discord to share the mods, so I’m sure it was done quite a bit.
This is where it gets interesting. VorpX is more like a mod manager with specific fixes/profiles created. As it doesn’t as you say work in all games. Just think of what ppl used to use in the early days for VR the 3d injectors like Tridef etc.
And yes you can sell mods see Steam workshop.
What it comes down to is companies being jealous of his success. I do agree that Luke shouldn’t fall into Valve’s Early Access infinity. However the more games he brings to VR the better and the more value the Subscription becomes.
That being said a middle ground could work. Once a VR Mod is so to speak finished. Release a free version. If it needs updating you will need to get it through the patreon at a small cost.
Really Take2 should just consider discussing with Luke to purchase his work on there game and release an official vr dlc. With the terms he would remove his mod once they release the official vr dlc.
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I added a highlight to your post. There is a petition regarding this situation. Imho this goes against fair use. As your mods are useless without owning the games in question.
https://community.openmr.ai/t/modfather-luke-ross-issued-dmca/38914?u=heliosurge
Rockstar/Take2 might be testing the waters. If successful they might also go after free mods as well.
Thanks for the highlight, @Heliosurge! I updated my public post at https://www.patreon.com/posts/68740592 with a link to the petition and a brief explanation.
I do agree with you guys, especially after a couple of days of studying Take-Two’s behavior, that this turns out to be a much bigger issue than just my Patreon, or just VR conversions, or just subsidized mods.
The larger question is: as modders, gamers, consumers in general, do we want to keep tolerating that corporations should have a money-given right to instantly kill any original work (be it a simple fix to one of their mistakes, an allegedly competing full-blown creation, or anything in between) just by exploiting the lie/loophole that everything that interacts with their IP is a “derivative work”?
These days I have seen many people use an analogy that is right on the mark: pretending that any external program or library/dll destined to be used in conjunction with a game and not explicitly authorized by the publisher is automatically a “derivative work” of the game is tantamount to (i.e., equally absurd as) stating that every application running on Windows and not explicitly authorized by Microsoft is automatically a derivative work of Microsoft’s IP, and that Microsoft has the right to arbitrarily terminate the app’s existence by issuing a DMCA takedown notice, all the more so if the app is created with commercial intent. Even more surreal: Microsoft should be able to unilaterally dictate whatever terms it deems fit, like “the app shall be made available for free after no more than thirty (30) days from its first release” or “all rights to the app and the assets contained therein shall be the property of Microsoft, Inc.”.
Every aspect matches with perfect parallelism:
- the app tightly interacts with the Windows operating system (OS) routines and data structures;
- much of the app functionality is written specifically to conform with the Windows OS and after careful study of what data and protocols the OS functions require;
- most importantly, the app would not be able to run on its own without the OS, and could not be sold as a standalone product because it needs the OS to work,
and so on and so forth. That unequivocally makes the app a “derivative work” of the Windows OS, doesn’t it?
No, of course not. Unless the app internally uses stolen/unlicensed portions of the OS source code, or resells under false pretenses Microsoft’s original assets and IP (which is something that Microsoft would need to prove, not simply allude to in vague accusations, in order to have the app instantly removed from the market), nothing in the law or common sense makes the app a “derivative work” based on Microsoft IP.
Yet game publishers pretend that the “derivative work” fiction makes sense, and in absence of specific legislation we allow ourselves to be fed the fantasy and surrender our consumer rights, allowing the publishers to vastly profit from mods while at the same time dictating conditions for their use (or terminating them with impunity) as though they were their own intellectual property.
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I have signed the petition.
To me this is no different then to have you make it possible for us to be able to use a specific PC MONITOR !
VR headsets are just 2 small monitors one for each eyes !
The fact that you make this possible is not any business of them !
Are they going after monitor manufacturers also ?
It sounds ridiculous cause it is ! But this is the exact same thing here !
It is ridiculous cause it’s none of their business !
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You can still download the GTAV mod from GitHub. He just said he was going to stop supporting them going forward.
I tested last night and it still works with the most recent version of the game.
I made a backup just in case Rockstar tries to update.
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Rockstar makes billions of $ off this game , I doubt the amount of sales lost from those of us who play VR mods is even close to a 100th of a percent of that.
But I get what you’re saying in principle.
Seems they might not care.
I worry about the larger implications of this. That we don’t “own” the products we purchase .
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Weird that you must; “agree with the terms of this license agreement to use this software”
Weird that you must agree in order to use what you already purchased !
I and many others knew that when this all first appeared that it was an attack on the rights of ownership !
And the danger that this will grow into all aspects of ownership !
Silliness like ; Before you are allowed to “use” your new Toyota product (car) you must first agree to these terms !
Never modify Toyota products !
Never use any aftermarked parts !
Always use OEM parts !
That includes tires !
Etc…
There is a saying by a twisted powerful guy out there; “you will own nothing and be happy” !
Remember a prison with pink bars is still a prison !
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I remember in the beginning when it was so much fun to own a PC game !
I remember having fun getting mods or simple ad-ons to GTA vice city and San-Andreas !
You could even play around with the physics setting and make any vehicle lighter or heavier by a few simple clic’s
Move MPC’s from one part of the map to another location etc…
You had tremendous freedom, and it was easy to do !
It did not take away anything from Rockstar, on the contrary !
You wanted Rockstar to keep growing and put out more and more new and improved games !!
But you see where we are now !
Rockstar sits on it’s laurels and bullies and dictates and does not make anything new anymore !
Heck it can’t even make a good definitive edition !
I wish Rockstar could go away and be replaced !
The ones that had something special in their games (free unscripted playing) they did not even try and keep that !
People who don’t know any better praise them while those who remember feel the big loss in freedom and cringe at all the restrictions in gameplay so that their scripted story plays out the way they want !
It’s like playing open worlds and being forced to go back playing corridor games !
Sorry for the rant.
Listen to this at the beginning and much more;
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It’s only going to get worse if gaming moves into the cloud. Then we wont even have the pc’s to run the game on and the code would never execute on our computers.
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Even Digital Foundry is talking about this … timestamped
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This guy is actually french, i can tell.
how ever it is, you are not i right here, compared to the other peoples opinions.
For me it is not problem,i am living by princibles mysef.I do not share your opinion,thou.
I do not like take 2 either…i have downloadet those mods at that time.
I also own VorpX and many other stuff, because i do love vr…
This was about copyright afaik.
Whether I’mm French, Uruguayan or Tibetan I don’t see the connection with this discussion !!!
As you say, you are expressing an opinion and your tastes. I’m stating facts about copyright laws (european or american, they’re basically the same), studio tolerances and their limits.
And sry to shatter your illusions but I’m right : you can’t do anything you want with a code you don’t own, studios decide what you can do and if you can make benefits with it (I don’t know many of them who allow this).
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Except mods do not interfere with copyright laws any more than people creating injectors to add features to games that they never had.
Yes agreed your nationality is not relevant with you expressing your opinion.
By supporting the idea otherwise; it could open the door to say emulators for consoles break copyright. With Oculus platform technically like a console being a closed platform; that both Revive & Pimax for there different methods of allowing non Oculus Headsets play Oculus games. Revive using an Oculus to steamvr translation layer. Or pimax injecting native Oculus compatibility to play without SteamVR.
The code as has been said is custom code. A modder could simply create a launcher after creating several say vr mods, list the games that are currently compatible and add more later. Now you have something that looks more like a VorpX.
I do like french ppl in particular, in fact my grandma was french/german while my gradfather was american i do also live in a multicural famliy and i can tell, you are french, especially with this attitude.Believe just what you want, i do not share.Its all good.
You should avoid applying Stereotype labelling as it is not accurate.
i didnt do that with evil intentions, as for every culture, has its pros and cons.
Nevermind, if you please 
It is never the less, a sad day for the vr community.
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Yeah, didn’t believe that was your intent. Just now a days people are more likely to presume the worst.
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Yes i also can confirm that, especially for many ppl that use the smartphone most of the time for castrated communication.
If my phones on the shelf i usually dive into painting or vr…play with children this stuff consumes so much time, but i think its for the better, not to be “with my stuff” all the time(wich i also do treasure and like, its just not all the time, you know.)
okay not i got far off topic and will take that one to my heart, or at least keep it in mind…