yesterday was testing dcs with q2 & new beta & 500Mb setting with 2946 enconding resolution & low curvature, tried increasing supersampling 1.1-1.5, It doesn’t look bad but why everybody is so excited about recent link update, it’s still so blurry, way better than before, but it doesn’t provide native resolution clarity of the Q2 displays at all, e.g. if you close link & open browser, youtube with 4k video or Quill with HD mod enalbed, you really see the difference it’s quite good panels.
Also tested different LCD displays & while Q2 has ok colours, it has worse background LCD backlight than Comsom Elite, Cosmos Elite is the best LCD I tried so far in terms of contrast & brightness, colours are also really good, I would say sometimes I think they can be just a tiny bit wahsed out compared to Q2 but I didn’t do gear vr mod for comos & I know panels look more saturated with another lenses. So Comos screen is really good but the problem is that it has more SDE & less resolution, it’s not enough for me in DCS, it’s enjoyable but you want more, Im not bothered at all at played all other kind of games, especially fast paced, but gauges are way more enjoyable with better resolution. Unfortunately DCS looks worse in Q2 with link than on native Cosmos Elite. Vive Pro with lenses mod also spectacular.
I whish Q2 had a bit more brightess (NITS) & less visisble LCD ambient backlight, but it’s still tolerable for me, it’s not that bad. Wonder whether G2 will be bright enough & with good colours.
HTC really know how to make good displays. It’s such a shame that they were ignored by community, but yeah their prices are steep.
Just out of curiousity, who has the 8kX & Q2, can you try to elaborate by how much the X has less pixels? E.g. what you perceive, if you think 8kx is 100% how much Q2 is worse? E.g. is it 90% or 85% of 8kX?
Agreed. There might be a few games that make sense to play in upscale mode; Beat Saber comes to mind.
One thing that surprised me about upscale mode is the feeling of immersion. It is much better at the faster refresh. I’ve never used a headset with a refresh higher than 80 Hz before. The 75 Hz refresh rate of the 8KX in native mode is fine and doesn’t bother me at all, but the 114 Hz refresh rate makes the VR world feel much more real. It caught me off-guard, because I wasn’t expecting such a huge difference.
Personally, I don’t think it’s that big of a deal. The increase in resolution is absolutely worth the reduction in framerate. However, until we get high resolution, wide FOV, and high framerates in VR, I’ll consider VR to be an evolving technology.
Of course, the long term solution will be direct neural links, incorporating our other senses: taste, smell, and touch. I doubt I’ll live long enough to experience that, though.
I actually also had both and was trying the Q1 only for curiosity.
The standalone part of the Quest is amazing but omg the image quality/sde was horrible.
My Rift S had much better SDE and image…I sold the Q1 24 later I got it, to me image was closer than the HTC Vive than the Rift S.
I talk about SDE/panel capabilites here so no matter it was with cable or not.
I think the 114Hz mode only makes sense for games which don’t benefit from high res. Any fast-paced game designed for standard (low res) VR headsets might be worth trying in this mode. Flight sims, space sims, driving games, and movies probably benefit more from high res, instead of high framerate.
I am a 5K+ owner. I modded my 5K+ so it is very comfortable (DAS + Apache Headstrap + Confort kit). I did pick up the Quest to see if wireless is wqorth loosing all the FOV for. Since I have my Quest 2 I haven’t played with my 5K+ anymore. I miss the FOV sometimes. The small FOV on the Quest 2 is very noticable. So is the very sharp screen though. The headstrap of the Quest 2 is bad, the eliute headstrap is breaking but the DAs can be used once again on the Quest 2 making it very comfortable.
Playing games in VR wireless is very immersive and playing PC games via virtual desktop works very well. If someone would ask me what VR headset to go for it would be the Quest. Not the Reverb G2 not the 8KX. It’s cheap it’s good and it is wireless. Sadly it is facebook too though.
I have a Q2 also and it is definitely a very impressive piece of VR hardware, especially for the price. However the experience with it is nowhere near my 8kx and if I had to choose between the two I would definitely keep the 8kx. I love the wireless freedom of the Q2 and the screens are really good, but they do not come close to matching the clarity and resolution that I’m seeing with my 8kx. The much smaller FOV in the Q2 also drags the experience down a few notches for me. My IPD is 71 so I’m having to use the 68 setting on the Q2 which is the setting with the smallest FOV. Thankfully I have been able to use it with the 68 setting without having any visual issues though. I really like the Q2 and enjoy using it but it is receiving much less use than my 8kx. Having said all of that I would still recommend the Q2 to any first time VR user before recommending an 8kx. This is just because of the extremely easy to use nature of the headset, the low entry price and dealing with a much more established company. (although the FB data mining side of it is negative). The low entry priced, ease of use headset will get you a great experience but it can’t get to the level of a correctly functioning 8kx that has been properly dialed in. (Of course getting it properly dialed in can be quite the challenge for many). If Pimax had the company side of things more in order right now, then it would be an easier recommend.
Received the Quest 2 on day of release and was unimpressed with the visuals out of the box. especially with Link.
After some visual enhancement tweaks, it’s much better but Link still lags behind Virtual Desktop…
Speaking of Virtual Desktop, it made me take the DAS/Powerbank counter-weight off the ole Standard 8K and attach to the Quest 2.
Wins:
Standalone
Specs/Performance
6DoF
2 controllers
Hand Tracking
Decent mic
VR PC connectable, wired & wireless
IPD adjustment
Refresh rate
Doesn’t produce excessive heat like the Oculus Go
Losses:
Reliance on Facebook
Standard headstrap
Link visual quality
FOV
IPD adjustment implementation
Inability to move Oculus TV screen, must physically step back/re-center/step forward?
Standard audio implementation
Not as much room for glasses wearers as the Oculus Go
I still find it amazing to this day how SDE can affect some people so badly and others none.
I had 0 issue with sde with pretty much ever headset i’ve ever owned. Including the Rift.
I honestly never even really knew was SDE even looked like until I was forced to get a used Vive.(Thanks Pimax#HiddenCosts)
I replaced the Quest 1 with Quest2 but before i sold the Quest1 and after being blown away by the Quest2 spaceship environment I popped back on the Quest 1 for comparison.
Yes the 4k of the Quest 2 was norixibly more lifelike and text was much more legible, but would I desxribe the Quest 2 as vive-like and horrible? Not even close.
If anything I say the Queat1 was more like slightly better than the Odyssey 1. which was pretty good.
Bet if you RMA it you wikl get a new one faster than it would take Pimax to respond to your ticket. And you won’t need to take a dozen pictures of it to prove it like your a criminal
Very interesting, im getting a G2 to do a final comparison between the 8kX, G2 and Quest2 experience.
I agree with you totally about the Q2 being awesone and i’ve created 2 new VR players already from people i know because of it. First 2 real VR friends i’ve had since VR started. Quest made it possible to hangout with my buds in rec room in VR which was amazing during covid. Wide FOV cannot do that.
This is/was a real gift, lucky you
Maybe you were annoyed by refresh rate? Which wasnt my case actually, SDE sensitive but not that much about refresh rate.
I am not a Facebook hater or what, but about the Q2 what is annoying me is the possible ban of the account for whatever reasons, I know it is the same on Steam but it was part of the deal from the beginning and this is what is preventing me to get a Quest 2…With a jailbreak that allow it to be able to use on Steam I get one right away.
And as far I understood you can use a headset with any Steam account which is not the case with Q2, right? It is linked to your FB account, correct?
Link definitely beats VD at this point @ 500mbps stream, though wireless is pretty awesome. To those comparing it to an 8kx, yes it’s definitely way behind. It’s also $1,000 behind in price
I don’t think it will ever hold a candle to the G2 or 8kx, even after they push the resolution update with link. 500 mbps certainly won’t be enough either, they need to push 1 to 2 gbps for it to be competitive (assuming the gains are linear which is probably not the case). That said, at 500mbps I think that I prefer the image quality to my 5k+. With the native resolution patch, it will completely replace my 5k+. No base stations, way way way less fuss, and fantastic image quality.
