I followed the Oculus before the kickstarter. I followed the Vive before it’s release. I have yet to see ANY company that takes customer inputs or suggestions to tailor their headsets to user demands. I question whether the tech is yet available for cheap enough to implement most of the suggestions you all have. I see PiMax at least trying to make big strides in visual quality. I have not heard or seen HTC announce anything for the near future except some scaled down junk for a phone. To me, that’s not VR. I have heard the oculus is not planning ANY updated headsets for at least a year. The Microsoft headsets just coming out is a far cry from whatever Pimax is offering. They are just a little better than the Vive or Oculus in terms of visual quality. I for one am grateful that PiMax is taking initiative to offer what they are offering. Nobody else is. Besides, you haven’t put up any money yet so the option to decline supporting the kickstarter still exists. I realize that it is a disappointment to not get everything you want but nothing in this Business is perfect, instant, or free like we all would prefer.
I notice a lot of you are experts in all of these specs, so I ask you why you are not developing your own headsets with the specs you want? These companies offer what they offer, it’s pretty much take it or leave it. PiMax is at least open to suggestions.
I worked at a large multi-national manufacturing telecom for most of my career, They NEVER let engineering developments out before the final product. I do not think these VR development companies will either.
The field is still in it’s infancy, It is going to take years for all of the high end specs to be implemented. I’m grateful we have what we have. Try going back to the 90’s and try those headsets out if you really want to see progress.
Keep the fact in mind: in Q1 Nvidia is going to release the GTX 2080 volta already ! This should cost about $700 and tons of people will buy it, like they always do. If those people have JUST received your ‘baby’ version of the 8k, then they need to buy another HMD again in may ?!?!
So you want people to replace the mainboard themselves ?
Would this not void the warranty?
A crushing blow indeed my only concern right now is time ,pimax needs to ship this new model this year ,many people have 1080 TI’s and will even upgrade just for the native experience but I’m not surprised they’re making a different model ,at 4k native wouldn’t they want to recalibrate their lenses for such an improved resolution I mean would you put 4k Display behind a HTC vive lens?
It would depend it maybe setup like a laptop. Like adding or swapping mini pci-x card.
Seated gaming using a hmd isn’t vr in my opinion, it’s a 3d seated simulator gaming viewer. Nothing more than visual immersion. It’s okay, but it’s not virtual reality. I realize these forums are a lot of simulator junkies, but realize that simulators are only one component of a bigger picture about what vr stands for.
Amen to that. We all get caught up in hi-end demand. This stuff takes buko bucks and time. There’s plenty of risk with respect to what Pimax is doing. The excitement and enthusiasm is great, and Pimax has been really great with communication and taking suggestions but we all should be understanding to what’s actually involved in what they’re doing.
Haha, you call dropping the ‘no native resolution support’ bomb just 1 day before the kickstarter ‘great communication’ ? I literally think it couldnt be any worse !
the point is this:
RIFT:
1080x1200 per eye.
each eye has 1080 horizontal pixels.
PIMAX 4K @ 1440:
2560*1440 for two eyes. That means 1280 horz pixels per eye. A little more than rift. You add lcd and RGB subpixel and there you have the advantage.
PIMAX 8K @ 1440
2560 horz per eye but nearly doubled FOV. That means…1280 pixels per eye, the same for the same fov, so same PPD.
This is why who tried it said that it looked like the 4k version. Same PPD overall. We’re not getting any resolution improvement, just fov.
Just because they do something wrong in one aspect, doesn’t mean they haven’t been good in many others… I didn’t say they have been perfect, just that for a co. developing a product, they have shown great effort to communicate overall compared to many other hardware developers.
I have a hard time not to go insulting Pimax, but reallly … EVERYBODY has ALWAYS since day 1 of the Pimax 4k asked for ONE feature: native resolution. And then they build the 8k and AGAIN NOT bring us that one feature everybody wants… That’s just HORRIBLE marketing. Not listening to customers AT ALL.
I’m so fed up with this bullsh*t.
Until the wires comes off no vr is really vr.
Seated/standing experiences are just as much a part of vr as roomscale is.
Now as long as your using teleportation over locomotion in roomscale - then your not having true vr either unless your playing a game like X-Men using Nightcrawler who is a mutant with teleportation.
Now there are vr technologies that grant full locomotion & do not require roomscale.
You are the one who needs to read up buddy.
The ole bait and switch w/out actually having the bait… (money)
Well played.
I do see your frustration though. I guess in their eyes, they can scoop up some extra money now because it’s a fully functional design…
They said clearly its coming. But to cater to folks that only have 1080ti would be foolish. Maybe 4k/eye at kickstarter launch would be too soon to have it polished.
If folks are iffy about getting the features; then wait & pay more when its available.
Again, 1-2 months after the Pimax 8k releases, Nvidia volta is due and tons of people will have this speed and/or faster.
I agree, and I think this is just a simple business decision on their end. It is what it is, and like you said, people will just have to wait…
Will we be able to upgrade the HMD easily with a second cable to achieve
native 4K resolution per eye?
How else are they going to make that large of FOV? The Graphics cards that exist right now can’t push that many pixels. I know that there are better cards in the future that will but PiMax is building it for right now. The specs for those cards don’t yet exist so they can’t very well build for those cards. If they could they would. I would suggest that if it is not what we want, just don’t back it. Wait until Nvidia or AMD comes out with the next gen cards and buy the headset built for them.