Pimax 8K Progress [Updated: Feb 6, 2018]

[brian91292]

My purpose here was to make you guys realize how unrealistic you are being, but clearly most of you are too thick skulled to see it. Just continue wasting your lives away complaining about communication and making your demands about this product that you have no control over; I’m sure there is no better way to spend your time than repeating yourself 1000 times about the same subject and making the forums completely unreadable.

As I’ve said many times, only time will tell if this product will succeed and you can all sit around speculating about what they will/won’t fix but that isn’t going to change the end result. Have a great day and don’t lose too much sleep over this product

[D3Pixel]

Complaining about the complaining is also complaining.
But we have tried to get it through your (insert insult here) head that…ahh never mind, time to go play some PoE

[Cdaked]

Well, the only thing you have achieved is to fill the official post of useless garbage, luckily you want to help Pimax.
By the way, here the only one who speculates without solid foundation is you.

[grzvs]

Thanks for the update @deletedpimaxrep1, I hope that between April - June (Q2) you can bring 8K to our homes. No more delays please !!!

[Heliosurge]

The biggest things to remember that Paitence, compliments & honest critiquing(sp?) Is all necessary & needed. Too much of one can lead to other failings.

[tomohm]

brian91292

Just out of my own curiosity… do you own a Pimax 4K? Yes, I understand it really has no bearing on the 8K. But I completely understand where sjefdeklerk is coming from being a 4K owner myself and going through that entire process and Pimax promises of that device.

WOW… I didn’t know sjefdeklerk was a moderator. Shocker of the day for me

[Grebo]

This all sounds pretty good. I’m glad extra time is being taken to fine tune the headsets instead of rushing them too soon.

[twack3r]

Good Lord, I do admire @Sjef and @Heliosurge for their patience, you guys are doing a tremendous service to this community and I really do enjoy @Axacuatl 's way of summarizing concisely a lot.

The aspect some of you (I’m looking at you @brian91292) don’t seem to understand is that when you decide to fund yourself in the way Pimax did with KS and what’s more important, use the KS campaign as a very sound marketing tool, you have committed yourself to professional communication with your backers. They will be the ones populizing all relevant forums, evangelizing others about your amazing product, engaging in arguments about how great it will be - in short, they are they very beginning of what makes a successful brand, they identify with a lot more than just a product, they fell in love with the IDEA of what they backed.

Now I don’t suggest that Pimax’s utter lack of quality communication is intentional because I have no such evidence. But we do have to concede that it’s unprofessional, and that they are already harming the Pimax brand considerably. Just look around elsehwere, you will by now be ridiculed for having backed the KS in the first place, and tbh, it’s getting close to impossible to still defend what Pimax are doing.

I hope I’m very much wrong but having only today read the comments to Sixense’s STEM KS update, where people actually still believe that a company that ripped them off completely will still deliver a product eventually has made me aware of how much hope I actually projected when backing the 8K and how much that expectation differs from reality.

I didn’t expect a perfect product within the set timeframe, but I expected the same level of transparent communication AFTER the campaign as there was DURING the campaign.

[Wildcopper]

@Heliosurge

Sj is apart of the VR commitee that the team setup.

Something to understand is he’s a programmer himself. As such he is often brutally honest with his views. Programmers & Rappers often share in the idea of “rap battles”.

But in truth from what I have seen he is far less critical then Linus Torvald would be (creator of Linux not Linus Tech Tips)

I’m also a developer, graphics industry, 30 years under the belt… and rap is definitely not my thing

[Soarin]

I honestly don’t agree with your critique of PIMAX standards, in their communiques to us the community they have shown that which mattered most: accountability for technical failures (the refresh rate issue) and that their heart is in the right place as a technical innovation firm: they are pushing their product to be the best for the sake recognition and not profit. In what we each paid on the kickstarter pledges this product is VERY good value for money when you look at the comparable pricing of first generation headsets on launch and the specification improvement PIMAX has made.

Those two pieces of information give me more confidence in this company than anything a brand manager can spin in media. Often companies who invest heavily in branding and marketing management oversell and overstate their product for market competition.

I have backed CIG’s Star Citizen for the same amount (more actually) than I spent on the PIMAX 8K, I am certain to see a reasonable return on investment from PIMAX. CIG has left me feeling disappointed and robbed, with only honey worded dreams and pretty pictures to show for my money.

[twack3r]

Agreed to disagree.

I‘m not saying they aren’t doing ENOUGH marketing, in fact they are being criticized exactly for overselling both their product specs as well as intended community involvement, they are doing the WRONG old school ‚bigger numbers are better‘ advertisement based marketing that the West frankly dropped more than a decade ago.

Clever, agile and highly effective marketing fueled by a record-breaking, high-visibility KS campaign plus the likeability of an industry underdog are the stuff of wet dreams for a professional brand developer. I am distraught at the wasted potential, which could have so easily been avoided if only someone had realized that for long term success of an undertaking as daring as what Pimax set out for, you have to have highly professional employees not just in R&D. This should have been in place before CES obviously and would have been absolutely doable.

[Worldimport]

They are searching for a marketing manager. This, i think, is positive.

[jimh54]

During the development of both the post facebook oculus and the HTC Vive I was backing both. I never once got any opportunities to give feedback on any of their prototypes. I never saw one at any shows I never heard of a forum users could discuss on. I certainly did not even hear rumors of certain users having a chance to try out pre production models.
I worked as a development engineer for my whole carreer, I never produced a product based on end user feedback like Pimax is doing. Our products were produced and the customers either bought them from us or from the competition. That is the way it works in the US. @Sjef, please give it a rest and be grateful you even have a forum to moderate. Iget that you feel abused by Pimax from your past experience. The past does not equal the future, so cut them a little slack.

[SRBorick]

There’s a reason someone, long ago, wrote “Patience is a Virtue” and someone else wrote “Speculation is Rife”.

I would venture to say that the majority of us forum members, whether we are positive or negative towards PIMAX, are not privy to all that goes on within PIMAX. None of us know if PIMAX’s engineers didn’t provide on the spot adjustments at CES, either hardware or software, that led to a better experience after the initial responses from CES attendees and reviewers, which if they did would explain why there were both negative and positive reactions and why some only experienced “theBlu” and others “DCS”. Granted, I just speculated, but I’m more of a “half glass full” kind of person so I tend to see things as more positive.

My point is, I can speculate all day long and really know “much about nothing” because I wasn’t there! I have no idea what events lead to another, why some folks praised their experience with PIMAX 8K and others not so much.

The update, in my “half glass full” opinion is very much appreciated, it tells me (along with all the reviews, positive or negative) that PIMAX has taken all the feedback and has either already addressed them or will address them.

Personally I don’t need PIMAX to hold my hand every step of the way, and personally I expect, in a project such as this, a whole lot of bumps in the road before I actually have a finished product in my hands.

Speculation doesn’t do me any good, nor does criticizing PIMAX, the team I’ve put my faith in along with funds to get the job done.

All in all, I believe that PIMAX can, and will, create an HMD that I’ll be excited and pleased (and can’t wait) to use… otherwise I wouldn’t have back them financially.

[Brogs]

Having read thru most of these back and forth comments I want my 5 minutes of my life back…preferably at my own Wake…so I can’t sit up in the coffin and scare the shit out of everyone there!! Lol

[Kopa]

I started skipping over them… I saw the direction they were going in and said NOPE!

[Sjef]

@jimh54

During the development of both the post facebook oculus and the HTC Vive I was backing both. I never once got any opportunities to give feedback on any of their prototypes. I never saw one at any shows I never heard of a forum users could discuss on.

That’s perfectly fine. Like pointed above, a company should make that decision and abide by it. Pimax makes it look like they’re interested in communication, promise an update and then don’t deliver. THAT is just bad business. Either develop your product and sell it when it’s ready or not, but do what you say you’re going to do.

@jimh54

Our products were produced and the customers either bought them from us or from the competition

Go read ANY modern US management book. The whole product cycle is based on the customer and its feedback. There’s no modern management philosophy out there that does not put the customer central to all of it strategies.

@jimh54

Iget that you feel abused by Pimax from your past experience

LOL what?

[Soarin]

@Sjef

Go read ANY modern US management book. The whole product cycle is based on the customer and its feedback. There’s no modern management philosophy out there that does not put the customer central to all of it strategies.

LOL! So sorry but no… just no. The following sums up the software industry, I have seen how the product changes specification over the course of its lifecycle and can tell you what was in the original specification and what gets delivered are never the same thing.

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[Sjef]

@Soarin

The following sums up the software industry

That shows bad communication. What does that have to do with not putting the customer central? Just an example, in a WELL managed company, the complaints/repair department links back to the development department: that part of customer feedback is ESSENTIAL to improving a product. Reality unfortunately is that in most companies this feedback loop doesn’t exist.

[Soarin]

Because a lot of the time the customer is not even sure of what they want, or struggle to convey their requirements in an effective way. Or provide requests that literally make no sense in the function of the product. I work as a systems designer in the games industry, it is incredibly rare that I see player feedback which is useful.