Why are people concerned with this person’s choice of operating system?
Win7 has extended support from Microsoft until Jan 2020 and is still a valid operating system! Referring to video editing software for DOS which ended its support back in 1991 is no comparison, not even close!
Now if you actually have a support solution for this visitor then please feel free to chime in, but let’s leave the ‘why are you using outdated software’ when it’s not officially outdated, especially as this person has their own reasons for using it and that is their choice.
It may be that there is no valid vr desktop application available on win7 but that would be the answer and not questioning this members choice in OS.
I will check with the our Microsoft Devs when I get in the office later today.
I have checked with our devs, and they said that Windows 7 has no official VR Desktop applications because of the way Win7 does not support the latest desktop imaging API’s and there is no DX12 support. They did mention that Virtual Desktop should work although they are only aware of it being usable through information from some of the tech forums and they have not tried it themselves. However bear in mind that virtual desktop will not work with 4k video etc but should be fine for things like day to day work and internet surfing - the performance may not be optimal though.
I feel like you actually did get my point after all.
Support blah blah but in fact outdated OS (like Dos,lol) for this particular request of software recommendation does help shit. Yes Win7 still does a awesome job for certain use cases but they were not related to the question.
So my concern,the OS, was to consider that these things do not go well together.
Having the dilemma of privacy concerns (for reasons that are 99% beyond my control) and software that simply needs a newer OS.
Of course the comparison to DOS was, as already admitted, a far ridiculous fetch but in the end it was just intended to deliver my point which is obviously valid.
So in order to help in a productive way the only move was to talk about the dilemma. Which could be solved or minimized with various solutions.
E.g. use a cheap blackberry (or old pc) android for browsing, win7, patched win10 for subjective better privacy and use win10 for gaming only.
btw. there are lots of ways to set windows10 to a reasonable privacy level, u do not need the store for example, with its apps being bullcrap anyway. But I’m sure that there is far cooler stuff for better privacy than that I know of.
I bet eno is the most valued expert on this topic with the best contacts and may point to sources to ease privacy concerns with win10.
Just to name one possibility. If my fun sarcasm on that particular topic (that I love bitching about) sounded insulting I deeply apologize. I just wanted to help, and simply saying “No” would have felt too little of help.
I actually find most of your posts very informative and knowledgeable, but i think you may have misunderstood why i questioned your last post… it was not in regards to the fact that that there are no current VR Desktop applications for Win7, more that you are saying that Win7 is an outdated OS. When Microsoft still support it and will continue to offer extended support for another 2 years.
So this member has a valid question… asking if there are any VR Desktop Application supported software that work with Win7 for me is a valid question. sure, asking him if he is able to use Win10 is a simple question, and the member (no matter what his reason not to upgrade) reply being NO is also a valid answer. It does in this case limit his ability to leverage off the performance on a WIN10 build as well as the image API’s and DX12 architecture, so will limit his options. but lets not forget that ‘i don’t think it will work on Win7’ or ’ Sorry never tried it on Win 7 as that OS was around before VR was really mainstream’ are also valid replies.
hopefully he will be able to test Virtual Desktop and will be happy, and you never know … some clever 3rd party techs may release another VR Desktop port for win7 in 6 months time! who knows
You’re right of course. Just wanted to advertise win10 for a much much better VR experience as we gonna need every drop of performance, driver support especially for the Pimax.
I did not intend to make a religious discussion, everyone should use whatever he likes best for whatever reasons. I just find the philosophical trade-of discussion (eg. Alexa, Siri, Cortana) how much we are willing to sacrifice (with and without our knowledge) vs great, comfortable and increasingly cheaper use of software very interesting and I may have gotten carried away.
I’m for example on iTunes, amazon music ect. and with ppl pratically playing though their privacy does not p(l)ay into my pocket. But I have…sadly…accepted the unavoidable truth that I can not stop that and make the best out of it.
lol… you don’t have to sell the OS to me, or i would be out of a job!
i’m sure we will be having a similar discussion in 4-5 years time over GPU support in a VR environment as 1070’s and 1080’s are 3 or 4 versions behind, but are still supported but the VR Generation improves dropping support for these cards!
At least Vive and P4k have a desktop mode that basically detects the HMD as a monitor instead of an application like BS or VD ect.streaming to the HMD. Have not tried it (just found out by accident with my vive) but win7 should be able to detect it. So this may be a good alternative and worth checking out since it is for free.
I mean everybody knows about the big shot titles. So I really like Gun Club VR which is not much of a hip game at all. It is even quite dull admittetly but most fun for a wave-shooter kind of game. Love that you have loads of weapons to choose from and you can skill those weapons as well. The way to reload the weapons is neat too. Enough modes to play through so it does not get boring. It is no “wow, what an immersive game” but it has great replayabilty which bigger titles often lack. And it’s great for a casual ride. There is no “Let’s play Skyrim for 10 minutes” if you know what I mean.
If you like to build stuff and hang out i highly recommend you try Anyland, ive got 1400+ hours in there and while the community is somewhat small, its really friendly.
It takes a little bit to get used to the scripting system but after you do there are few things that cant be built, im a construction worker IRL so that might tell you a little of my “learn2code” aptitude.
Im the brain a jar (based the look on 80s TMNT Krang) in the trailer on steam, everything you see has been hand built and scripted inside of the game itself.
The dev (Philipp) is very active on the steam forum and adds features and fixes pretty much every week.
This is the release trailer from back in 2016, it pulled me in and ive been staying around.
There is a lot that has been added since.
It will ask if you if you want to support it every couple of weeks but you dont need to, just click away the dialog if you want.
I got in back before it was made free and have actually bought it four times, 2 for my steam accounts and 2 more to give away to friends, even now that its free ive joined the patreon to help support it.
Have a look at this vid for a quick intro for how stuff works ingame:
